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Old 24th Apr 2017, 11:13
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Confirmed by CWL now and QR themselves. Service to start in 2018.
Good stuff.

I wonder if the Welsh Government has suggested APD will be removed / reduced by then?
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Old 24th Apr 2017, 11:15
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I highly doubt it, no one has a clue what is happening with APD.
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Old 24th Apr 2017, 11:18
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Doha to Cardiff 3,360 miles, 737 Max-8 range quoted as 3,700 in lowish density two-class configuration. First deliveries to Qatar 2018. Hmmm... Wonder if Boeing has a few more miles up its sleeve???
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Old 24th Apr 2017, 11:28
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Originally Posted by airworld
CWL-DOH no chance !!
Obviously not the case !!! Great achievement for CWL
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Old 24th Apr 2017, 11:29
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Originally Posted by EastMids
Doha to Cardiff 3,360 miles, 737 Max-8 range quoted as 3,700 in lowish density two-class configuration. First deliveries to Qatar 2018. Hmmm... Wonder if Boeing has a few more miles up its sleeve???
That would be a perfectly sized aircraft for the route, and the A321NEO. Would allow a higher frequency than that of the B787 so would be more useful.
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Old 24th Apr 2017, 12:55
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And everyone thought my post of 28/3 was a joke.
Wasn't expecting the official announcement to come until sometime in May but it's awesome news for Cardiff!!!
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Old 24th Apr 2017, 13:36
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This is great news for me personally, I travel home from the Middle East to Cardiff at least 10 times per year. Normally use Emirates and fly into LHR, will move all my business to Qatar including all my business trips. Time to say goodbye to Emirates Skywards Platinum and hello to Qatar!
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Old 24th Apr 2017, 17:29
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Fantastic news for CWL & such a great airline to secure. Things are certainly looking up for CWL after all these years and I imagine this new route will prove to be very popular not just for Wales but also for SW England.

The Independent are saying it's most probably going to be 4 flights a week initially on a A320 with a 7 hour flying time. Anyone know if this is true or will we be seeing the 787 or A330 ?
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Old 24th Apr 2017, 19:45
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Congratulations. I would imagine aircraft type will be down to expansion of whatever fleet they have in mind and depending on growth in the next 12 months. EK have reduced a lot of services on different routes mainly to and from the States. However I'm surprised a 320 could go that far without a tech stop somewhere.
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Old 24th Apr 2017, 21:01
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Qatar A320s used to operate from Heathrow to Doha, so they have the range, not sure about runway length requirements though...
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Old 24th Apr 2017, 21:05
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Qatar's medium haul A320s are configured with only 132 seats (12/120) so with a full fuel tank would easily be able to take off from Cardiff's 7800ft runway.
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Old 24th Apr 2017, 21:05
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Qatar A320s used to operate from Heathrow to Doha
I think you'll find that was a Business Class-only 319 (no longer operating), but you're point is well-made as Qatar (and another MEB3 airline I can't mention on here) use their 320's on some fairly long sectors from DOH and AUH. Gulf-Air also run 320's to BAH from LHR on a regular basis.
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Old 24th Apr 2017, 21:08
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A320, A321, A330, A350 or 787 doesn't really matter as long as we got this over BRS !!! Such a great airline to secure with such an endless list of onward connections.

CWL best sort those airbridges out to fit on whatever aircraft they are going to use. Can just imagine seeing one of their grey & burgundy aircraft at the end of the pier.

Imagine it's going to be popular with freight increase too so maybe the larger Airbus aircraft or 787 be the best.

It wouldn't surprise me if there's going to be another announcement coming soon, maybe not long haul but short haul/European......CWL really needed this and hope there's more to come.
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Old 24th Apr 2017, 21:33
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Well done CWL!
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Old 24th Apr 2017, 21:58
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An interesting description ... That CWL is an airport to serve south-west England, if I were from Wales I would probably be offended whilst uttering "We are NOT here to serve the English"

Qatar also operate from both LHR and BHX so what is CWL'\s catchment area, up the A449/A40/M50 I guess Ross-on-Wye would be the cut-off point between CWL and BHX, along the M4 I guess the Chippenham turn off the cut-off point between CWL and LHR and as for the true south-west of England ... I guess Somerset falls within CWL's catchment area but for Devon & Cornwall they have the A303/M3 linking them with LHR.

I just wonder if Qatar studied a road map or an aeronautical map before deciding that CWL was to serve south-west England, it will be interesting to see what size of aircraft they may operate on the route, it will be good if it does become a viable route but it doesn't have the greatest of catchment areas.
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Old 24th Apr 2017, 22:04
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Originally Posted by Harry Wayfarers
An interesting description ... That CWL is an airport to serve south-west England, if I were from Wales I would probably be offended whilst uttering "We are NOT here to serve the English"

Qatar also operate from both LHR and BHX so what is CWL'\s catchment area, up the A449/A40/M50 I guess Ross-on-Wye would be the cut-off point between CWL and BHX, along the M4 I guess the Chippenham turn off the cut-off point between CWL and LHR and as for the true south-west of England ... I guess Somerset falls within CWL's catchment area but for Devon & Cornwall they have the A303/M3 linking them with LHR.

I just wonder if Qatar studied a road map or an aeronautical map before deciding that CWL was to serve south-west England, it will be interesting to see what size of aircraft they may operate on the route, it will be good if it does become a viable route but it doesn't have the greatest of catchment areas.
Catchment isn't an issue, there are 1 million passengers within CWL's long haul catchment. People will come down from BHX if the price is right, same goes from the far south-west and along the M4 too.
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Old 25th Apr 2017, 00:20
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Catchment isn't an issue, there are 1 million passengers within CWL's long haul catchment
Long haul catchment area ... You mean there are different catchment areas for long, medium and short haul?

People will come down from BHX if the price is right, same goes from the far south-west and along the M4 too.
You mean that it has been announced that Qatar are to become a low cost carrier on their CWL route and it doesn't cost more per bum on seat to operate a lesser sized aircraft than the aircraft type(s) they operate from the likes of LHR and BHX?
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Old 25th Apr 2017, 06:04
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Oh Phileas, your comments always provoke a giggle on these forums ...
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Old 25th Apr 2017, 06:39
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Oh Phileas, your comments always provoke a giggle on these forums ...
Children giggle!
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Old 25th Apr 2017, 07:06
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Catchment isn't an issue, there are 1 million passengers within CWL's long haul catchment. People will come down from BHX if the price is right, same goes from the far south-west and along the M4 too.
If the UK didn't have an abysmal and inadequate motorway network I'd be inclined to agree with you, but we don't and frankly, as a Midlander, if I couldn't get out of BHX at the right time / right price my second choice would be MAN, third LHR. Frankly a trudge down the M5 / M4 or M5 / M50 / A40 / M4 then across country to Rhoose wouldn't figure in my plans, however cheap the prices.

Hopefully there'll be enough traffic from South Wales and the English side of the Severn crossings to sustain Qatar, and if it has the range, a smaller narrow bodied aircraft would seem a good way to start the route.
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