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Cardiff and VoG are well off.
However, the Valleys area is poorer than parts of Poland, Czech Republic, Hungary and Romania in that it is eligible for EU structural funds.
With regards to GVA you're looking at 124th and 136th out of 139 NUTS3 areas for the Valleys and 34th for Cardiff and VoG. For Bristol you're looking at 11th, then 24th for the wider Bristol area, go further afield to Glos. it's 32nd and Swindon is 9th.
Until the Valleys area gets richer CWL will struggle, an airline making a choice of location will almost certainly look at things like GVA or GDHI of the airport catchment area. Then it'll look at where passengers come from to use the airport and for BRS they'll see that a significant proportion of passengers come from from Wales, but for CWL the proportion of passengers from England will be less. Airlines are businesses if they think they can make more money at BRS that is where they'll locate.
Vueling are doing very well because they understand what their target market is - people who want a holiday in Spain. They also understand that there is a market for that in South Wales. Strip away all of the typical holiday destinations from BRS and CWL and you'll see the underlying picture of what is going on.
Fix the whole South Wales economy and CWL will grow in leaps and bounds.
However, the Valleys area is poorer than parts of Poland, Czech Republic, Hungary and Romania in that it is eligible for EU structural funds.
With regards to GVA you're looking at 124th and 136th out of 139 NUTS3 areas for the Valleys and 34th for Cardiff and VoG. For Bristol you're looking at 11th, then 24th for the wider Bristol area, go further afield to Glos. it's 32nd and Swindon is 9th.
Until the Valleys area gets richer CWL will struggle, an airline making a choice of location will almost certainly look at things like GVA or GDHI of the airport catchment area. Then it'll look at where passengers come from to use the airport and for BRS they'll see that a significant proportion of passengers come from from Wales, but for CWL the proportion of passengers from England will be less. Airlines are businesses if they think they can make more money at BRS that is where they'll locate.
Vueling are doing very well because they understand what their target market is - people who want a holiday in Spain. They also understand that there is a market for that in South Wales. Strip away all of the typical holiday destinations from BRS and CWL and you'll see the underlying picture of what is going on.
Fix the whole South Wales economy and CWL will grow in leaps and bounds.
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'Fix the whole South Wales economy and CWL will grow in leaps and bounds' - this statement speaks volumes!
Welsh MP's and members of the assembly take note! You have used tax payers money to invest in the airport, therefore it is up to you to now change the economy to help make your/our investment worthwhile.
Welsh MP's and members of the assembly take note! You have used tax payers money to invest in the airport, therefore it is up to you to now change the economy to help make your/our investment worthwhile.
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CWL future ownership
I doubt it. The plan is to sell it (CWL) back to the private sector.
Welsh Government will not sell-off its controlling stake in Cardiff Airport - Wales Online
At the time the purchase was going through and on occasions afterwards the First Minister certainly spoke of private sector partners with it seemed the eventual return of the airport to the private sector.
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These links will give you an idea of how things are going.
Airport data 2015 11 | UK Civil Aviation Authority
(click on November 2015 Airport Statistics)
Debra Barber announced as Managing Director and Chief Operating Officer
2015 is turning out to be the very good year, passenger figure-wise, that was anticipated in the early spring with the Flybe announcement and is likely to see around 1.15 million passengers. This would be the best year since 2011 when the airport handled 1.208 million.
2016 ought to exceed 1.2 million. CWL's best ever year was 2007 when 2.094 million passengers used the airport. To get back to that level would almost certainly require a major low cost airline coming in with a substantial presence.
Devolved APD might be the key with Ryanair recently hinting that they might not expand at BRS because of the tax, although at least one recent article in one of the major Sunday newspapers stated that devolution of APD to Wales was not yet a 'done deal'.
Bristol Airport 'right to be worried' about Welsh APD devolution - Ryanair
Airport data 2015 11 | UK Civil Aviation Authority
(click on November 2015 Airport Statistics)
Debra Barber announced as Managing Director and Chief Operating Officer
2015 is turning out to be the very good year, passenger figure-wise, that was anticipated in the early spring with the Flybe announcement and is likely to see around 1.15 million passengers. This would be the best year since 2011 when the airport handled 1.208 million.
2016 ought to exceed 1.2 million. CWL's best ever year was 2007 when 2.094 million passengers used the airport. To get back to that level would almost certainly require a major low cost airline coming in with a substantial presence.
Devolved APD might be the key with Ryanair recently hinting that they might not expand at BRS because of the tax, although at least one recent article in one of the major Sunday newspapers stated that devolution of APD to Wales was not yet a 'done deal'.
Bristol Airport 'right to be worried' about Welsh APD devolution - Ryanair
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Thanks for the stats.....regarding the BRS concerns regarding APD I've heard that from a mate that works at BRS. I suppose any other airport in the area would have cause for concern too, however if it's good enough for Scotland then the Assembly Government should push the same way.
Yes BRS will loose flights, destinations, airlines and passengers but they have had their fair share of the market over the last decade or so.
Plus I suppose the length of CWL's runway will also help with regards to the possible long haul routes.
Fingers crossed for a good 2016
Yes BRS will loose flights, destinations, airlines and passengers but they have had their fair share of the market over the last decade or so.
Plus I suppose the length of CWL's runway will also help with regards to the possible long haul routes.
Fingers crossed for a good 2016
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I can't see APD having that much of a major effect on BRS and jobs in the area.
If anything it will stem the expansion flow it's seen over recent years, evening things out between BRS and CWL. By no means should any Airport have any right over it's passengers that live in the catchment, but it would certainly help CWL compete for Welsh travellers that actually want to fly from their local Airport. CWL will never reach the levels of BRS
It's also not all about BRS. It could win back passengers from London and Birmingham
If anything it will stem the expansion flow it's seen over recent years, evening things out between BRS and CWL. By no means should any Airport have any right over it's passengers that live in the catchment, but it would certainly help CWL compete for Welsh travellers that actually want to fly from their local Airport. CWL will never reach the levels of BRS
It's also not all about BRS. It could win back passengers from London and Birmingham
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Ryanair are to operate ex BFS and someone has posted on the BFS page that CWL would be a good destination from BFS to compete with EZY to BRS.
I wonder if this is true and if CWL will entice FR to operate another CWL route
I wonder if this is true and if CWL will entice FR to operate another CWL route
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If Ryanair struggled to make a daily 738 on DUB CWL add up to an acceptable level, how on earth would a thinner route like Belfast be any more attractive to them now...?
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I'm just saying what is reported on the BFS page plus I think you find the daily CWL-DUB loads proved to have sufficient passenger loads ever since they started, way before they went to BRS and also operated 2 flights on some days.
The only reason FR pulled the DUB routes was because of the disagreement with the old CWL management and nothing to do with passenger figures. In fact if this fall out never happened I suppose FR would have operated some more routes & destinations.
It's great to see the new CWL management have enticed FR back with the TFS route and hopefully more over the next few years.
The only reason FR pulled the DUB routes was because of the disagreement with the old CWL management and nothing to do with passenger figures. In fact if this fall out never happened I suppose FR would have operated some more routes & destinations.
It's great to see the new CWL management have enticed FR back with the TFS route and hopefully more over the next few years.
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I think you'll find it's Flybe. Bizarrely with an E175, off-peak morning schedules with a MAN-based aircraft. The lunatics really have taken over the asylum if this one goes ahead.
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Where has this rumour came from now ? Both seem to be complete nonsense to me, with the MAN being slightly more believable than FR BFS, although if this did go ahead then surely the timings would have to be 'friendly' and be at a lot more than 6x weekly to have any chance of beating the train !
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Not sure why so much negativity on a new route cwl-man. Flybe use Manchester as a hub onto their own network and code shares onto longhaul thus giving the good people of Cardiff a single ticket option from their local airport to many other destinations.
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That is very true and indeed the positives of such a route are outlined in your post, and it would be rather decent for CWL to get another new route. Just be nice to hear where exactly the source of this information is from ?
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That is good news if the MAN route is true, my company used to use Air Southwest on the route until that stopped and we are now faced with an overpacked train journey. Also MAN has some tidy long haul destinations that can be used as a connection.
If this rumour is true when would is it going to be announced as I can't see it listed anywhere yet or is it part of another further Flybe announcement about CWL ??
If this rumour is true when would is it going to be announced as I can't see it listed anywhere yet or is it part of another further Flybe announcement about CWL ??
If the flight times I've seen (late morning ex MAN, early afternoon return arrival) either a) connected with Flybe's hub or b) connected with long-haul services, then I could understand it. As things are, the flight times do neither, missing the hub banks and arriving back in Manchester after virtually all long-haul services have left.