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Virgin's best way forward, certainly in Scotland, is a part or full week based aircraft
The common misconception is that if you are 50% filling 7 flights a week you can 100% fill 3 flights a week as that is (roughly) the same number of passengers. It doesn't work that way, you will lose passenger volume as they spill onto other carriers offering better flexibility.
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...why let that get in the away of fantasy
"Mr Dowds said several million Edinburgh passengers a year were
travelling to long-haul destinations via other airports when they could
be served by direct routes."
Source: £400 million bill to expand airport - The Scotsman
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largest Indian community in Scotland isn't in Edinburgh
This from RASCO highlights Scotland's central belt access times.
1-hour access time by road:
To Edinburgh Airport : 2,536m or 50.1% of the Scottish population
To Glasgow Airport : 1,982m or 39.2% of the Scottish population
To Prestwick Airport : 1,401m or 27.7% of the Scottish population
2-hour access by road:
To Edinburgh Airport : 4,01m or 79.2% of the Scottish population
To Glasgow Airport : 3,756m or 74.2% of the Scottish population
To Prestwick Airport : 3,407m or 67.3% of the Scottish population
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Could you confirm for me then; if VS drop the LHR-MAN/EDI/ABZ routes then EI can take up the slots as they currently operate the wet lease aircraft. Thanks.
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Regardless of the potential for Scotland - India traffic, Virgin Atlantic will not be the carrier launching a service. The clear message from last week is that North Atlantic routes to the USA in conjunction with Delta are the future focus. That is where any new initiatives (from Scotland or elsewhere) will be seen.
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MAN slots were and are VS slots so no on those,
Regards the other routes, I am not sure, EI bid for them and were the only other carrier, other than VS interested in them at that time, it's possible EI would get them with conditions but I believe the Times story is not based on fact rather it's
Their opinion of the current route prospects
Regards the other routes, I am not sure, EI bid for them and were the only other carrier, other than VS interested in them at that time, it's possible EI would get them with conditions but I believe the Times story is not based on fact rather it's
Their opinion of the current route prospects
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Airport catchments do not really reflect endemic populations, if an airport is convenient and accessible and offers connections, direct or otherwise, they will use it.
1) Price has to be right
2) Frequency matters, if EK/QR/EY can offer a daily one stop for cheaper than a twice weekly non stop route, then the latter will not work, see PIA at Glasgow for proof.
3) There's not enough Indians in Scotland to maker irt viable unless you assume that Pakistanis (there's loads of them in Glasgow) are the same as Indians and they'll happily connect over Mumbai.....think about it ! By your own stats Joe, PIK should be doing way better, once again you choose the stats you fancy and present them in isolation.
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Hangar 6 and The Royal Family
Under the original agreement the 'remedy' slots revert to IAG if VS fail to use them on the relevant routes for 3 full years. It is definitely not the case that EI would automatically inherit the slots, although I am not clear whether the slot trustee would invite bids from airlines to take over from VS. In which case EI might bid.
As Hangar 6 says, this only applies to the EDI and ABZ slots. The MAN slots are nothing to do with the 'remedy' issues and always belonged to VS.
As for VS's rather limp response to the Sunday Times article, one reason might be that the original agreement includes penalties for VS if they return the slots at a time which results in IAG losing their 'grandfathering' rights to the slots. However there is a window during each scheduling season when VS can notify their intention to terminate the slot agreement without risking such a penalty. The next window appears to be the two-week period that follows the next IATA scheduling conference, which is in November. So we might expect VS to confirm their withdrawal sometime between November 14th and 28th, presumably effective from the Summer 2015 scheduling season.
Under the original agreement the 'remedy' slots revert to IAG if VS fail to use them on the relevant routes for 3 full years. It is definitely not the case that EI would automatically inherit the slots, although I am not clear whether the slot trustee would invite bids from airlines to take over from VS. In which case EI might bid.
As Hangar 6 says, this only applies to the EDI and ABZ slots. The MAN slots are nothing to do with the 'remedy' issues and always belonged to VS.
As for VS's rather limp response to the Sunday Times article, one reason might be that the original agreement includes penalties for VS if they return the slots at a time which results in IAG losing their 'grandfathering' rights to the slots. However there is a window during each scheduling season when VS can notify their intention to terminate the slot agreement without risking such a penalty. The next window appears to be the two-week period that follows the next IATA scheduling conference, which is in November. So we might expect VS to confirm their withdrawal sometime between November 14th and 28th, presumably effective from the Summer 2015 scheduling season.
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It's not about the numbers in the catchment area. It's about the numbers of people in the catchment area all wanting to go to the same place. EK has the convenience of double daily. PK was just 2 or 3 weekly going to the community that has 4 times as many potential customers as EDI. Perhaps you are going to tell is the EK is not aware of those finding as well.
For EDI-India, you want to have a limited frequency VS operation going up against both QR and EY...what's in it for VS apart from red ink? They were loathe to even contemplate MAN-HKG which had the potential to not need connections at either end given the size of the market
For EDI-India, you want to have a limited frequency VS operation going up against both QR and EY...what's in it for VS apart from red ink? They were loathe to even contemplate MAN-HKG which had the potential to not need connections at either end given the size of the market
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Perhaps you are going to tell is the EK is not aware of those finding as well.
when the forthcoming competition begins to bite.
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Perhaps PIA were not aware of the RASCO findings?
This is the Virgin thread, not the BAA bashing one. Virgin are not launching EDI-India in your lifetime, or even mine....
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I can't understand why VS don't just close down all operations from Heathrow, Gatwick, Manchester and Glasgow and move lock-stock and barrel to Edinburgh. It is the world's major CAPITAL with a castle after all. Hell, to this day I still don't know why BA have yet to relocate their hub to EGPH. Would solve the problem of a third-runway at EGLL over night.
Did I mention that Edinburgh is a capital and it has a castle?
Did I mention that Edinburgh is a capital and it has a castle?
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Extra GLA
Extra Sunday flight to MCO next summer
BBC News - Virgin adds new flights from Glasgow in summer 2015
BBC News - Virgin adds new flights from Glasgow in summer 2015