DUBLIN - 2

[AerRyan]

Originally Posted by Nightstop

As an experiment, and to save some money, I bought two FR tickets to get to ALC via DUB from LGW. I allowed myself about 2.5 hours in DUB hoping for a Guinness. On arrival one hour late during the afternoon into DUB I thought, no problem, I have another 1.5 hours to spare and I can use the Connections route into Departures. No such luck, the Security search area at Connections closed at 13:00! So, out through arrivals/Customs and back through Security, the queues for which were horrendous (25 minutes wait time). Fortunately my hand luggage wasn't pulled to one side for inspection, otherwise I would have missed my onward flight to ALC. Never again, DUB in the afternoon is totally unsuitable as a connecting hub

Well, ahm, you flew two unprotected tickets?

[Jamie2k9]

1 - You purchased tickets from FR which do not offer a hub service and I think you would of been refused entry to connections in T1 as FR do not offer transfers. Most transit is via T2 at DUB and T1 only early morning for certain carriers and no point in wasting money keeping it open when the airline doesn't to pay for it.
2 - The Hub is no responsible for airline punctuality.

Had you fly with Aer Lings they would of accepted you via the connections route once it's not after the last wave of T/A traffic connections.

I missed a connection from CDG to CFN under basically the same circumstances. Baggage was checked all the way through but missed the flight due to a combination of a late arriving aircraft and having to go through passport control, into the checkin area and back through security rather than staying airside the entire time

So you didn't leave enough time or check on the rules about connecting at DUB?

[Nightstop]

I know FR don't offer connections, but with 2.5 hours planned on the ground DUB I should have had plenty of time to make my onward flight. As for who pays for the Connections security search, surely that should be a service that any airport provides free of charge, especially one that has "DUBHUB" logos all over the place. It would have been interesting if the staff at Connections had refused me entry with a valid Boarding Pass,but I'll never know because I'll never be repeating the transit experiment again.

[PPRuNeUser0176]

I know FR don't offer connections, but with 2.5 hours planned on the ground DUB I should have had plenty of time to make my onward flight. As for who pays for the Connections security search, surely that should be a service that any airport provides free of charge, especially one that has "DUBHUB" logos all over the place. It would have been interesting if the staff at Connections had refused me entry with a valid Boarding Pass,but I'll never know because I'll never be repeating the transit experiment again.

Rules are you cannot but it's probally down to staff discretion. In T2 if you have separate EI to EI tickets and baggage checked through they would let you through.

The airport is focused on long haul connections not short haul ones. The T1 transfer facility closed at 13.00 is because British Airways, Flybe, Lufthansa, Finnair, Air France/KLM, Air Canada, WestJet, Swiss and SAS will all have completed any transfers to respective long haul carriers.

Why keep it open when there is no passenger data of traffic expected after 13.00 and no airline willing to pay for extra staff when they could be put to better use elsewhere.

[1sky]

Originally Posted by Nightstop

As an experiment, and to save some money, I bought two FR tickets to get to ALC via DUB from LGW. I allowed myself about 2.5 hours in DUB hoping for a Guinness. On arrival one hour late during the afternoon into DUB I thought, no problem, I have another 1.5 hours to spare and I can use the Connections route into Departures. No such luck, the Security search area at Connections closed at 13:00! So, out through arrivals/Customs and back through Security, the queues for which were horrendous (25 minutes wait time). Fortunately my hand luggage wasn't pulled to one side for inspection, otherwise I would have missed my onward flight to ALC. Never again, DUB in the afternoon is totally unsuitable as a connecting hub

A connection to an FR flight is anyway not allowed to use the Flight Connections facility. After they refused to accept my valid boarding pass, I had a long exchange with DUB a few months ago on this because nothing was (still the case?) indicated on the flight connections board indicating this restriction.

It appears to be a Dublin Airport policy restriction (the connection fee is anyway lower than the normal passenger departure fee).

Dublin Airport absolutely do not make this clear on their website.

[1sky]

They have updated the website so I stand corrected:
https://www.dublinairport.com/flight-connections/self-connecting-passenger-information

Still it makes no sense to restrict a self connecting passenger with a valid boarding pass and no checked luggage.

[PPRuNeUser0176]

A connection to an FR flight is anyway not allowed to use the Flight Connections facility. I had a long exchange with DUB a few months ago on this because nothing was (still the case) indicated on the flight connections board indicating this restriction.

It appears to be a Dublin Airport policy restriction (the connection fee is lower than the normal passenger departure fee)

It would be a bit late for passengers who would only first notice it on the Flight Info Screens....it is however stated on the website and surly people booking a connection would look to see if the airport has connection facilities.

Under the Self Connections Page

Please Note: Self-connecting passengers are not permitted to use the Flight Connections facility

On Ryanair Website

Ryanair is what is known as a ‘point-to-point’ airline. This means that we fly directly to our destinations and we do not operate connecting flights.

This means that we cannot transfer passengers or their baggage to other flights, whether those flights are operated by ourselves or by other carriers.

For more information please refer to our Terms and Conditions of carriage here.

[1sky]

Just because an airline is "point to point" doesn't mean airports should not allow passengers to use facilities that exist anyway. It would just be a case of passengers (of course, those without hand luggage) getting their BP scanned and clearing security in one place instead of another.

At many other airports around Europe, passengers can get off one Ryanair flight and get on another flight without going anywhere near immigration and security.

Why not allow passengers (without luggage) to use facilities that exist anyway, while relieving other overcrowded facilities in the airport (immigration and normal departures security).

[PPRuNeUser0176]

Just because an airline is "point to point" doesn't mean airports should not allow passengers to use facilities that exist anyway. It would just be a case of passengers (of course, those without hand luggage) getting their BP scanned and clearing security in one place instead of another.

At many other airports around Europe, passengers can get off one Ryanair flight and get on another flight without going anywhere near immigration and security.

Why not allow passengers (without luggage) to use facilities that exist anyway, while relieving other overcrowded facilities in the airport (immigration and normal departures security).

You have to clear immigration regardless, passengers with hand baggage are only saving a few minutes by using the transfer route or exiting and going up to security.

[flyboy2008]

Flybe will operate DUB-DSA from the winter, 6 per week. Taking over from Stobart/EI Regional

[Nightstop]

Why do you have to clear Immigration? I had no intention of going landside. "Gatwick Connections" offer self connecting with hold baggage transfer to the following Airlines:

Aer Lingus
Air Europa
British Airways
easyJet
Flybe
Meridiana
Monarch
Norwegian
TAP
Thomas Cook
Virgin Atlantic
WestJet
WOW Air

Come on DUBHUB (and FR), think of the extra revenue.

[chuboy]

Originally Posted by Jamie2k9

So you didn't leave enough time or check on the rules about connecting at DUB?

I left plenty of time tyvm, Aer Lingus was late on the incoming so I missed the connection. To be fair even if I had not had to clear immigration and security (again) I probably would not have made the flight because it was REALLY late.

EI did refund me the money and reimbursed me a ticket on the bus as the connection was protected. But the whole point was to avoid the coach in the first place as the Mrs doesn't much like the twisty roads once you cross back into the South...

Do I have cause for complaint? Well I got my money back although I was many hours late arriving, so maybe it's just a first world problem.

Nevertheless, what kind of aspiring "hub airport" has connection rules that you're expected to know, expects passengers to effectively leave the terminal area only to join the queues for security all over again? This doesn't happen at any of the other airports that DUB intends to compete with for connecting pax. You're already airside, there should be no need for staff in the first place. Just a corridor that leads back into the departures area

[PPRuNeUser0176]

Why do you have to clear Immigration? I had no intention of going landside. "Gatwick Connections" offer self connecting with hold baggage transfer to the following Airlines:

Aer Lingus
Air Europa
British Airways
easyJet
Flybe
Meridiana
Monarch
Norwegian
TAP
Thomas Cook
Virgin Atlantic
WestJet
WOW Air

Come on DUBHUB (and FR), think of the extra revenue.

Rules are any passenger landing at DUB must clear immigration. The Common Travel Area between here and UK not even exempt. Now these are not rules by daa.

Gatwick would have much bigger business to make it viable and from a quick glance Gatwicks charges are not varied therefore it makes no difference to fees/revenue. Short to Shot haul connections are a fraction of transfer at DUB.

[Skipness One Echo]

Why do they insist on passports at the Irish end and not the British end then?

[chuboy]

Originally Posted by EI-EIDW

Rules are any passenger landing at DUB must clear immigration. The Common Travel Area between here and UK not even exempt. Now these are not rules by daa.

Thanks for the info. Seems like a strange rule to enforce but perhaps it is a product of the terminal design.

Short to Shot haul connections are a fraction of transfer at DUB.

And all I'm saying is it'll stay that way unless DAA changes the way they process connections.

[PPRuNeUser0176]

Why do they insist on passports at the Irish end and not the British end then?

Sometime in the late 90's they changed the law examine documents and refuse people are are not entitled to enter via CTA and while meant not to apply to British/Irish they are also covered because of the set up.

Thanks for the info. Seems like a strange rule to enforce but perhaps it is a product of the terminal design.

For T1 design yes, daa looked at CTA route when T2 was planned and connections would be far easier without clearing immigration but Goverment had no plans to change the law and with Brexit it will never change I suspect.

[Skipness One Echo]

So the CTA is not as polemic to the Irish as certain parts of the British state? IS that fair to say? I can't begin to imagine the world of pain if they were to introduce document checks to get into Britiain from Ireland. Thanks for that, did not know this was a requirement.

[PPRuNeUser0176]

So the CTA is not as polemic to the Irish as certain parts of the British state? IS that fair to say? I can't begin to imagine the world of pain if they were to introduce document checks to get into Britiain from Ireland. Thanks for that, did not know this was a requirement.

I don't think checks in practicality would be a major problem at all considering how advanced technology is. E-Gates could do the job for the vast majority of passengers traveling between IE-UK if Irish flights had a few dedicated at each airports and programmed to clear Irish/British ID holders only.

Checks for NI passengers entering mainland airports wouldn't go down well and it would be pointless for checks form DUB and not BFS people could just cross border and enter if they want to avoid checks.

If you look back to 2008 UK Border Agency published a paper to have checks for Non CTA citizens, enhanced ID for CTA citizens and new advanced data system for all people traveling between both countries. Some unionist's in NI were not happy and in 2009 the House of Lords defeated it and it was again tabled by the then Home Office Minister under Public bill committee but removed after continued opposition.

[Una Due Tfc]

Originally Posted by Skipness One Echo

Why do they insist on passports at the Irish end and not the British end then?

You need photo ID with your address and/or nationality on it apparently, so passport or driver's license essentially.

[840]

Place of birth has to be Ireland or the UK too.

The common travel areas is not like Schengen as you have to be a citizen of one of the two countries. If your place of birth is elsewhere, there's not enough information on the driving licence to prove it.