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Clearly there is demand for it...there wouldn`t be an hourly train service between Cork and Dublin if there wasn`t demand for it!!! And that`s competing with at least 2 or 3 bus companies on the Cork-Dublin route!!!
If some trains from Cork were routed through the Phoenix Park tunnel and onwards via a spur to Dublin airport and reconnecting north of Malahide to the Belfast line, pax from not just Cork and Belfast would have direct access to Dublin airport but stations along the whole national rail network as well as Dublin commuter/DART trains would have access to Dublin airport.
If some trains from Cork were routed through the Phoenix Park tunnel and onwards via a spur to Dublin airport and reconnecting north of Malahide to the Belfast line, pax from not just Cork and Belfast would have direct access to Dublin airport but stations along the whole national rail network as well as Dublin commuter/DART trains would have access to Dublin airport.
In fact there is demand for a hourly service to Belfast but have you ever wondered why there is not an hourly service never mind a two hourly service.
When they announced the hourly service it was just a transfer of other services to the Cork route and there was no net gain the number of services. It is very easy to create demand when you cancel the majority of Limerick and Tralee connections which are keeping Cork viable....
Capacity has been cut by around 40% on the Cork route and the only reasons it was not more is because they couldn't and this is not due to demand but other factors. Reducing frequency would cause political storm as well as a phone call to the European Commission and more problems arise in regard to Cork services.
Anyway moving on I am all for a railway station for mainline services but we need to be realistic about it as well before getting the cheque book out.
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Jamie2k, you have great knowledge of aviation in Ireland from your posts but you clearly have no understanding on the railways...
There certainly is demand for an hourly Cork-Dublin rail service..otherwise it would`t be there. In fact, Irish Rail even added an extra early morning express service to the Cork-Dublin schedule recently due to demand!
The Cork-Dublin route is far far busier than the Dublin-Belfast route. Just check the stats!!
Pax from Kerry join the Cork-Dublin train at Mallow and Limerick passengers at Limerick Junction. The train to Dublin is always very busy when I travel and I should know as I travel between Belfast and Cork regularly!
The reason that we don`t have a rail line to Dublin airport is that the Irish cannot seem to do long term planning very well unlike our European neighbours.
Was listening to the Last Word on TodayFM today and a rail expert confirmed my thoughts on this, it`s all about the lack of long term planning in Ireland. (The burial of the DART underground is the most recent case).
The lack of a rail link to Dublin airport suits a lot of vested interests so I have little hope it will ever happen too.
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There certainly is demand for an hourly Cork-Dublin rail service..otherwise it would`t be there. In fact, Irish Rail even added an extra early morning express service to the Cork-Dublin schedule recently due to demand!
The Cork-Dublin route is far far busier than the Dublin-Belfast route. Just check the stats!!
Pax from Kerry join the Cork-Dublin train at Mallow and Limerick passengers at Limerick Junction. The train to Dublin is always very busy when I travel and I should know as I travel between Belfast and Cork regularly!
The reason that we don`t have a rail line to Dublin airport is that the Irish cannot seem to do long term planning very well unlike our European neighbours.
Was listening to the Last Word on TodayFM today and a rail expert confirmed my thoughts on this, it`s all about the lack of long term planning in Ireland. (The burial of the DART underground is the most recent case).
The lack of a rail link to Dublin airport suits a lot of vested interests so I have little hope it will ever happen too.
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Yes that new express which has been delayed like 90% of the time is carrying 18% capacity, 20 on a good day which has directly transferrd from the service 15 minutes earlier. There has been no increase in numbers and revenue has actually dropped. It was totally PR driven and has failed massively....
There is not demand when you have like 60% of passengers on 50% of trains goong nowhere near Cork but onto Limerick/Tralee who service was withdrawn.
As for Belfast yes lower numbers because of the utter incompetence and mess Irish Rail and Translink make of the route the current refurb progamme just another example of Translink at its finest.
Trust me I have an ever greater knowledge of railways and how they work. It is sure its always busy type folk who haven't a clue, all well and god been busy when huge numbers are not paying for tickets.
I agree about the general rail link point and long term planning.
Compare night rail links in the UK and see there is not many if any intercity services and you think they would work here!
Yes that new express which has been delayed like 90% of the time is carrying 18% capacity, 20 on a good day which has directly transferrd from the service 15 minutes earlier. There has been no increase in numbers and revenue has actually dropped. It was totally PR driven and has failed massively....
There is not demand when you have like 60% of passengers on 50% of trains goong nowhere near Cork but onto Limerick/Tralee who service was withdrawn.
As for Belfast yes lower numbers because of the utter incompetence and mess Irish Rail and Translink make of the route the current refurb progamme just another example of Translink at its finest.
Trust me I have an ever greater knowledge of railways and how they work. It is sure its always busy type folk who haven't a clue, all well and god been busy when huge numbers are not paying for tickets.
I agree about the general rail link point and long term planning.
Compare night rail links in the UK and see there is not many if any intercity services and you think they would work here!
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Clearly you have no idea how railways work. The busiest line in the country is the Cork-Dublin line. It has feeder services in from Kerry@Mallow and from Limerick@Limerick Junction and works really well to sustain the hourly services on the Cork-Dublin line which are almost always full when the Limerick pax hop on at Limerick Junction.
Whether you want to believe that or not is not my concern. I can only tell you of my experience on traveling on that route for many many years.
Whether you want to believe that or not is not my concern. I can only tell you of my experience on traveling on that route for many many years.
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I never suggested it was not the bussiest, I said Dublin-Cork is not viable hourly on its own and you said it was. Take Limerick/Tralee connections away and its different. The parking up of rolling stock for it has helped however significant reductions have been made. Viable or not it cant and wont be cut.
Also take note of my revenue point very important, if you break down numbers its very different.
A full train gives as clear picture as a full flight and they mean nothing, you of all people should be aware of this.
Anyway we may as well drop it as it wont happen with or without a station at the airport unless the taxpayer decides to foot the losses.
Also take note of my revenue point very important, if you break down numbers its very different.
A full train gives as clear picture as a full flight and they mean nothing, you of all people should be aware of this.
Anyway we may as well drop it as it wont happen with or without a station at the airport unless the taxpayer decides to foot the losses.
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You did, you said the Belfast-Dublin line was busier than Cork-Dublin line.
When I talk about the Cork-Dublin line I`m not talking about that it is just demand between Cork and Dublin alone like the 13 flights a day that operated between Aer Arann and Ryanair at the height of the Celtic Tiger.
I`m also talking about the stations in between Cork and Dublin including connecting services at some of those stations with passengers from Limerick and Kerry.
Think about a train service from Belfast to Dublin through Dublin airport and continuing onto Cork via the Phoenix Park tunnel with stops at places like Kildare for Waterford feeder trains, Portarlington for Galway, Limerick Junction for Limerick and Mallow for Kerry trains...now that would be an integrated train service in Ireland and a lot busier too with pax to/from Dublin airport.
DART and Dublin commuter trains could run from Dundalk to Carlow or Wicklow.
The motorways improved road travel no end in Ireland, I wish the authorities could plan the railways in a similar long term vision.
Anyway Sin é, let`s move on from this thread drift on Dublin Airport.
When I talk about the Cork-Dublin line I`m not talking about that it is just demand between Cork and Dublin alone like the 13 flights a day that operated between Aer Arann and Ryanair at the height of the Celtic Tiger.
I`m also talking about the stations in between Cork and Dublin including connecting services at some of those stations with passengers from Limerick and Kerry.
Think about a train service from Belfast to Dublin through Dublin airport and continuing onto Cork via the Phoenix Park tunnel with stops at places like Kildare for Waterford feeder trains, Portarlington for Galway, Limerick Junction for Limerick and Mallow for Kerry trains...now that would be an integrated train service in Ireland and a lot busier too with pax to/from Dublin airport.
DART and Dublin commuter trains could run from Dundalk to Carlow or Wicklow.
The motorways improved road travel no end in Ireland, I wish the authorities could plan the railways in a similar long term vision.
Anyway Sin é, let`s move on from this thread drift on Dublin Airport.
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I know little about trains but Belfast figures are only based on Belfast-border to Dublin and the rest are not included from south down when really they are the same line. It is well know the line between Dublin and the border makes the biggest profit per passenger and service levels are bad for the population on the route.
Now back to Westjet and DUB, it was WJ twitter who said we will be sending the B767-300 to DUB so either a mistake or something let out of the bag. I was always under the impression the 767s were fully booked up for LGW ops. Would be great to see an unserved route even at 1-2 weekly.
Now back to Westjet and DUB, it was WJ twitter who said we will be sending the B767-300 to DUB so either a mistake or something let out of the bag. I was always under the impression the 767s were fully booked up for LGW ops. Would be great to see an unserved route even at 1-2 weekly.
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So ET will be the first regular A350 operator at DUB next year with EWR commencing in June.
Will be really surprised if they don't apply for rights to New York considering will be up to 8 daily in summer. 9 if EI had the aircraft to return the 07.50/23.40 JFK service.
NYC traffic will account for close 40% of all T/A traffic next year.
One of ET's 787 declared an emergency 90 minutes after departing and shut down an engine and returned yesterday morning.
Will be really surprised if they don't apply for rights to New York considering will be up to 8 daily in summer. 9 if EI had the aircraft to return the 07.50/23.40 JFK service.
NYC traffic will account for close 40% of all T/A traffic next year.
One of ET's 787 declared an emergency 90 minutes after departing and shut down an engine and returned yesterday morning.
I think between a potential combination of EI and UA throwing their toys out of the pram they'll be unlikely to get 5th freedom on EWR, but I think they will certainly get them on HOU when they apply.
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Aegean will commence a twice weekly service to Athens next summer, flights begin 20 June-19 September.
Monday/Saturday
DUB 23.15-ATH 05.05 - A320
ATH 20.15-DUB 22.25 - A320
Aer Lingus fly 3 times weekly also.
Latest News > Aegean Announce Services From Dublin To Athens
WOW also increase KEF from 3 to 4 weekly from 15 May.
Monday/Saturday
DUB 23.15-ATH 05.05 - A320
ATH 20.15-DUB 22.25 - A320
Aer Lingus fly 3 times weekly also.
Latest News > Aegean Announce Services From Dublin To Athens
WOW also increase KEF from 3 to 4 weekly from 15 May.
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School Geography trip (€1200) didn't happen today - due to cancelled flight DUB to KEF with Bluebird cargo this morning. Ahem, weather related (supposedly)! However, KEF seemed to be just doing fine on the arrivals / departures for others. Just how reliable are BBD?
Did it get out of Liege okay? It does Liege-Dublin-Kevlavik-Dublin-Liege AFAIK