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The new passenger service, launched on 9th January, has already become one of the airline’s most successful route launches with load factors driving through 90% for many of the flights. ... “Normally, this would provide enough capacity for the first 2-3 years of a new route operation...However, Dublin is exceeding our expectations much faster than was predicted and we need more seats to satisfy demand.”
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Delta have a B767 on JFK from late March. It was a 757 last summer so that is also an increase in seats already. I do hope that DL put the A330 back on ALT.
Will be great to see 3 US Airways 757 on the ground at once if they are all on time.
Will be great to see 3 US Airways 757 on the ground at once if they are all on time.
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Originally Posted by Sober Lark
In a recessionary economy don't people cut down on travel and save instead? I'd imagine the cost of flying is one of the smallest elements of the total cost of going away for a short holiday so even if the DAA actually paid people to fly it probably wouldn't make any difference to the numbers that travel through their airports.
Originally Posted by Shamrogue
I'm with sober lark,
The direct Gov tax is bog all to do with airline growth. Airport charges may have a bigger effect, since they'll be directly in the airfare and are perhaps more substantial.
Airlines will make more from selling ancillary services than the gov tax also. So should the airlines sell their hotels etc nett in order to enhance the tourist proposition (I say this with a smile).
Overall, the European economy is under pressure. If you plan a trip, it'll go something like €200.00 airfare, €100 a night hotel, €50.00 a night dinner, €20.00 visiting attractions etc etc etc. It's the overall spend. And it's widely shown people are opting for 1 holiday versus 2 holidays.
Perhaps the simplest route is to try and develope new markets and tap clients we're not seeing.
Cheerio Shamrogue
The direct Gov tax is bog all to do with airline growth. Airport charges may have a bigger effect, since they'll be directly in the airfare and are perhaps more substantial.
Airlines will make more from selling ancillary services than the gov tax also. So should the airlines sell their hotels etc nett in order to enhance the tourist proposition (I say this with a smile).
Overall, the European economy is under pressure. If you plan a trip, it'll go something like €200.00 airfare, €100 a night hotel, €50.00 a night dinner, €20.00 visiting attractions etc etc etc. It's the overall spend. And it's widely shown people are opting for 1 holiday versus 2 holidays.
Perhaps the simplest route is to try and develope new markets and tap clients we're not seeing.
Cheerio Shamrogue
This is just 1 barrier though, but a straightforward one that the government could remove. The other is the high airport charges, particularly at Dublin. New route schemes are grand, but more needs to be done for airlines already serving Irish airports in order to allow them to increase capacity.
Taxing tourists and charging airlines through the roof to land here is doing nothing to increase passenger numbers or inbound tourism. The sooner idiots like Leo Varadkar realise this the better.
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Excellent step by Emirates to increase the service to a 773ER from July 1st. Could only be a few years before the service goes Double Daily if growth suffices
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Nah, we'll run out of emigrants before then - although there will be a market for visits back to the aul' sod by those forced to take Noonan's "lifestyle choice" 
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Route shift
Emirates/Etihad's success must be partly helped the Irish wish not to see Heathrow!
Abu Dhabi and Dubai airports being so much more user friendly. So if the change just a movement from the mega walks of Heathrow with the hellish security to somewhere alittle handier to manage?
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Abu Dhabi and Dubai airports being so much more user friendly. So if the change just a movement from the mega walks of Heathrow with the hellish security to somewhere alittle handier to manage?
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I am delighted to see EK adding capacity on the DUB route, especially after so short a time; it would have been great to see a 343, as had once been suggested, but this is obviously all the better to get one of EK's high capacity aircraft.
Ok, we can all be negative about certain things that are happening, but the bottom line is that EK - with all its marketing prowess and power - now has the incentive to market Ireland all the more aggressively across its huge network; that can only help us; for our exporters, likewise, it'll be a big boost.
With such a large shopping list - over 50 77Ws on order - it can only be a matter of time before we get the second daily.
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Ok, we can all be negative about certain things that are happening, but the bottom line is that EK - with all its marketing prowess and power - now has the incentive to market Ireland all the more aggressively across its huge network; that can only help us; for our exporters, likewise, it'll be a big boost.
With such a large shopping list - over 50 77Ws on order - it can only be a matter of time before we get the second daily.
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The other is the high airport charges, particularly at Dublin.
Seriously though, I think it's disingenuous to suggest that airport charges make that much of a difference in the grand scheme of things. If you're spending €500 on a holiday, the €10.43 charged per passenger at DUB is negligible.
Personally I'd much rather pay that fee to use a real airport rather than travel through a cattle shed like BVA.
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So its ok for Ryanair increase baggage charges, add EU levey and add EU carbon tax, increase online check in but its not ok for airports to increase charges. No matter what Ryanair say there DUB routes are profitable and the cuts we have saw over the last two years have being in winter for the most part and not summer.
Ryanair have no problem paying 24 pounds per passenger in the UK soon to be about 28 and then they go on about our €3 tax which is being used to market Ireland abroad. Why not cut across the UK (only STN). Reason is that if they cut there will be other carriers like Jet2,easyjet to take up the routes. If EZY came to DUB there would not be another word about charges as FR would do everything possible to get them out.
some people on here who work for FR would also agree with much of the post above.
Ryanair have no problem paying 24 pounds per passenger in the UK soon to be about 28 and then they go on about our €3 tax which is being used to market Ireland abroad. Why not cut across the UK (only STN). Reason is that if they cut there will be other carriers like Jet2,easyjet to take up the routes. If EZY came to DUB there would not be another word about charges as FR would do everything possible to get them out.
some people on here who work for FR would also agree with much of the post above.
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Cop on lads, this isn't a DAA vs. Ryanair arguement, ALL airlines are against the DAA's high charges and their recent attempt to increase them. Its not often that the likes of Aer Lingus or CityJet get into bed with Ryanair, so that should tell you something...
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and their recent attempt to increase them
So if Aer Lingus are not happy with charges why are they basing extra aircraft and increaseing flights?
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ALL airlines are against the DAA's high charges and their recent attempt to increase them.
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So if Aer Lingus are not happy with charges why are they basing extra aircraft and increaseing flights?
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Where offically does dub sit in relation to other european airports regarding charges. not just passenger but airbridge use, landing fees etc etc.
i only ask as i wonder if taking into account ALL fees charges including handling fees that dublin is as cheap or as expensive as everyone else and that mol et al are using the passenger charges as an easy option to target.
i could be wrong but i would like too see the actual costs, does the meerkat have a compatetheairportfees.com website????
i only ask as i wonder if taking into account ALL fees charges including handling fees that dublin is as cheap or as expensive as everyone else and that mol et al are using the passenger charges as an easy option to target.
i could be wrong but i would like too see the actual costs, does the meerkat have a compatetheairportfees.com website????
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I'm in no way political. But the Minster for Transport said he would scrap the tax altogether if the airlines would grow.They all joined together in unity to get rid of the tax. It is now a third of what it was but the airlines didnt expand there network enough to get rid of it altogether because the they know the figures are not there. Yes they opened new route on summer schedules, but not when they were asked too in the depths of winter. They all since have gone very quiet and O Leary has gone back to having a pop at the DAA for fees now.Somethings never change. There is nothing surer than taxes and death. Varadkar called there bluff. Varadkar 1 airlines 0.
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We're all the same
Leo was spot on.
Airlines will moan about charges, the press are happy to carry the headlines as it's pandering to the public/tourist organisations. It gets the airline in question free advertising and keeps them top of mind for the consumer. Politician takes a rattling - so what's new.
All business's do the same - rant about rates, or the price of the lecky or whatever. If you don't - it'll keep going up till you are no longer in business.
Householders do it - water charges etc. No one rings up and thanks the waterboard or whoever for putting up a rate.
If you drop the taxes to zero, and further reduced landing charges - in two years time there would be moaning that terminal 2 looked more like an old cow shed and how could it be allowed to get that way.
Life continues onwards.
Shamrogue
Airlines will moan about charges, the press are happy to carry the headlines as it's pandering to the public/tourist organisations. It gets the airline in question free advertising and keeps them top of mind for the consumer. Politician takes a rattling - so what's new.
All business's do the same - rant about rates, or the price of the lecky or whatever. If you don't - it'll keep going up till you are no longer in business.
Householders do it - water charges etc. No one rings up and thanks the waterboard or whoever for putting up a rate.
If you drop the taxes to zero, and further reduced landing charges - in two years time there would be moaning that terminal 2 looked more like an old cow shed and how could it be allowed to get that way.
Life continues onwards.
Shamrogue