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Three months is all that the EU will require FR to pull off routes and open up competition. After 91 days expect the biggest "seat sale" that the world has seen. If you look back to recent history then you only have to see the blood on the floor when Easy tried flying into the Republic.
Even Veradkar who isn't exactly the sharpest tool in the box has acknowledged only last week that overseas/non irish airlines can't be expected to be loyal to Ireland. In other words they will scarper when the going gets tough. Also the LHR slots will be much more valuable flying somewhere else and no doubt with the right political posturing then they can turn them into long haul slots should the need arise in the future. The government acknowledged this about 6 months ago when they conceded that there is no cast iron way that they can ensure that the LHR slots are kept once they sell their shares.
Anyone that thinks that open competition will occur following an FR takeover is living in cloud cuckoo land.
Even Veradkar who isn't exactly the sharpest tool in the box has acknowledged only last week that overseas/non irish airlines can't be expected to be loyal to Ireland. In other words they will scarper when the going gets tough. Also the LHR slots will be much more valuable flying somewhere else and no doubt with the right political posturing then they can turn them into long haul slots should the need arise in the future. The government acknowledged this about 6 months ago when they conceded that there is no cast iron way that they can ensure that the LHR slots are kept once they sell their shares.
Anyone that thinks that open competition will occur following an FR takeover is living in cloud cuckoo land.
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Originally Posted by waffler
There is no compulsion for aircraft taking Aer Lingus slots at heathrow to serve Dublin forever.
Ryanair themselves employ few people directly, most are employed through agencies but I will them describe the joys of that.
Originally Posted by waffler
Perhaps you could research how much tax Ryanair paid to revenue in Ireland over the last few years to see if this takeover will benefit the government.
Compare that to Google though, who paid just €8m in tax last year to the Irish government based on a profit of €9bn.
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Not the point I was trying to make though. They could base their Head Office in any country, some with better tax arrangements, but they choose to stay in Ireland.
Anyone that thinks that open competition will occur following an FR takeover is living in cloud cuckoo land.
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Originally Posted by j636
Could you name on as Ireland is the cheepest place in Europe for them to have there HQ. Remenber most FR employees are on Irish contracts.
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FR bid
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I am enjoying the discussion , having worked for both companies have a few inputs myself, currently I work in DAP , not for FR or EI
FR value if EI is really low given the oppurtunity his bid gives to eliminate a competitor, yes that is MOL ONLY strategy to date with buying airlines
eg What value LHR slots , EI has 46 of them I beleive
FR dont employ staff, I worked for them in 2001 , via an agency as do most Pilots all cabin crew , each "contractor" is told how to set up a private ltd company , and HAS to use an accountnat from a short list provided by MOL , he was or is an accountant ?
Recent Judge commentated on the truth and MOL being infrequent bedfellows , every promise he makes is to be taken with a pinch of salt.
I judge MOL on his PERSONNAL treatment of the lady who was the millioneth passenger, she had a letter from then CX confirming free flights for life, FR got huge publicity for this excellent reward, MOL went to the ends of the earth in his attempts to have this written guarantee of free flights removed from the lady. She was not for turning, thankfully he failed.
MOL has developed a great airline, a modern day miracle, thankfully I dont work for him and will never fly with him.
He will put in place an exit strategy for EI within 6 months, make a huge profit from his efforts and reture having removed a major blot on his CV , that being the large amount of wsted money spent by FR on EI bids , not to mention the large amounts EI have wasted defended these bids.
DAA will also be impacted, RE of course but most of all the staff and public will loose a choice , the very choice that a GVT TD gave us when he forced EI out of STN and LPL among other palces to ensure FR stop loosing money and grew, a strategy that saved FR and helped EI and the result was a choice of two solid Iirsh Airlines.
I believe FR are in Dublin becuase Ireland is very friendly on tax, labour laws and of course the IAA gets a huge benefit from all those Irish registered aircraft fees. A bit cosy maybe but you can be sure being based in ROI allows FR to gain in many ways , without having to have many staff.
I hope FR and EI both prosper, if FR win EI then it will be at a very cheap price and customers will loose out.
just my cents worth
I am enjoying the discussion , having worked for both companies have a few inputs myself, currently I work in DAP , not for FR or EI
FR value if EI is really low given the oppurtunity his bid gives to eliminate a competitor, yes that is MOL ONLY strategy to date with buying airlines
eg What value LHR slots , EI has 46 of them I beleive
FR dont employ staff, I worked for them in 2001 , via an agency as do most Pilots all cabin crew , each "contractor" is told how to set up a private ltd company , and HAS to use an accountnat from a short list provided by MOL , he was or is an accountant ?
Recent Judge commentated on the truth and MOL being infrequent bedfellows , every promise he makes is to be taken with a pinch of salt.
I judge MOL on his PERSONNAL treatment of the lady who was the millioneth passenger, she had a letter from then CX confirming free flights for life, FR got huge publicity for this excellent reward, MOL went to the ends of the earth in his attempts to have this written guarantee of free flights removed from the lady. She was not for turning, thankfully he failed.
MOL has developed a great airline, a modern day miracle, thankfully I dont work for him and will never fly with him.
He will put in place an exit strategy for EI within 6 months, make a huge profit from his efforts and reture having removed a major blot on his CV , that being the large amount of wsted money spent by FR on EI bids , not to mention the large amounts EI have wasted defended these bids.
DAA will also be impacted, RE of course but most of all the staff and public will loose a choice , the very choice that a GVT TD gave us when he forced EI out of STN and LPL among other palces to ensure FR stop loosing money and grew, a strategy that saved FR and helped EI and the result was a choice of two solid Iirsh Airlines.
I believe FR are in Dublin becuase Ireland is very friendly on tax, labour laws and of course the IAA gets a huge benefit from all those Irish registered aircraft fees. A bit cosy maybe but you can be sure being based in ROI allows FR to gain in many ways , without having to have many staff.
I hope FR and EI both prosper, if FR win EI then it will be at a very cheap price and customers will loose out.
just my cents worth
Three months is all that the EU will require FR to pull off routes and open up competition. After 91 days expect the biggest "seat sale" that the world has seen. If you look back to recent history then you only have to see the blood on the floor when Easy tried flying into the Republic.
I don't see FR doing this as frankly it gains it nothing.......
Some old routes................great but you ignore the bigger picture.
FR is dealing with EU across Europe rather than just being an Irish domestic player. In going back on routes after 3 months would be seen as a sign of acting in bad faith.
This would get remembered each and every discussion with EU that takes place. Whether you acknowledge it or not Ryanair is a multimillion pound business that doesn't need that kind of hassle.
Give whoever flying the route 18 month to 2 years before going back is different because that is a reasonable length of time to build up a business. If you cannot do it in that time then you will never do it.
Even Veradkar who isn't exactly the sharpest tool in the box has acknowledged only last week that overseas/non irish airlines can't be expected to be loyal to Ireland. In other words they will scarper when the going gets tough. Also the LHR slots will be much more valuable flying somewhere else and no doubt with the right political posturing then they can turn them into long haul slots should the need arise in the future. The government acknowledged this about 6 months ago when they conceded that there is no cast iron way that they can ensure that the LHR slots are kept once they sell their shares.
Aer Lingus have happily leased out slots before to other airlines.
A simple requirement is that FR cannot use the slots for a period of 5 years minimum unless there is no other airline willing to use the slots to provide competition to existing users. If FR are getting €x million a year for the slots then why have the hassle.
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FR have no interest in EI short haul services, all they want is EI long haul network which will keep Ryanair profitable long term as they can't cut there costs a huge amount more, in fact they will increase and the short haul market is becoming more of a problem for FR and current profits will turn to losses unless they change there approach to Europe. Just on the UK-IRL fare differences they are substantial and only because they can get away with it.
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American Airlines resuming a daily 757 service to JFK form June 2013.
American Airlines Strengthens Its Network With Service To Cities In Asia, Europe And Latin America - Oct 24, 2012
American Airlines Strengthens Its Network With Service To Cities In Asia, Europe And Latin America - Oct 24, 2012
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Good news but it may appear that its seasonal. AA operate some European routes June-October.
In some other news:
Plane aborted take-off at Dublin Airport in 2011 - RT News
In some other news:
Plane aborted take-off at Dublin Airport in 2011 - RT News
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Confirmed by the DAA as being year-round:
Latest News > Dublin Airport Welcomes American Airline
Looks like there is going to be a massive increase in US-Ireland capacity next year. You'd wonder is it too much too soon and is there really that much of a gap in the market?
Latest News > Dublin Airport Welcomes American Airline
Looks like there is going to be a massive increase in US-Ireland capacity next year. You'd wonder is it too much too soon and is there really that much of a gap in the market?
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Looks like there is going to be a massive increase in US-Ireland capacity next year. You'd wonder is it too much too soon and is there really that much of a gap in the market?
The DAA are expecting up to 325,000 more passengers with the Gathering 2013 also so it will be well used and prices will drop however I don't think they will during the peak months.
Mores the point weres it going to fit on t2!! I guess if its anything like the ord service aa run it shud arrive in dub well after the morning rush!!
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And if reports are correct that EI are growing strongly their connecting passenger number ex EU to USA, there will be in effect less capacity available for passenger originating in Ireland.
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Mores the point weres it going to fit on t2!! I guess if its anything like the ord service aa run it shud arrive in dub well after the morning rush!!
And if reports are correct that EI are growing strongly their connecting passenger number ex EU to USA, there will be in effect less capacity available for passenger originating in Ireland.
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Its not clear weather the AA service will be year dispite what the DAA press release says but that will be confirmed by 4 November. Wouldn't be suprised is Delta add a little capacity either.
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What's this huge amount of connecting passengers on EI's long haul? Can someone put a daily volume or average % by load factor on it?
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