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[EI-BUD]

And bmi said it wasn't a profitable route

If there had been no head office cost or a significantly lower costs one (ie withe scale of BA operation) the route certainly would have been profitable.

It would have appeared that the costs of the airline meant that all seats would need to attract fares too high than were realistic, hence they were collecting less revenue than they needed to break even or be profitable, I would imagine most routes were not a lot different to Dublin and lets no forget Aer Lingus is competitive when compared to bmi and the have much greater capacity on the route.

In addition, close to the time when BA axed Dublin Heathrow in 1991 they had often L1011s and 757 on daily schedules. I expect they will do fine on Dublin/Heathrow aircraft type is not always an indication of profitability. As someone elsehas posted a bigger plane may take the place of two smallers ones.

EI-BUD

[Skipness One Echo]

but all the 767s operate from T5,

They have one at T3 as well.

BA axed Dublin Heathrow in 1991 they had often L1011s and 757 on daily schedules

Fares were quite extraordainarily high when it was a BA / EI duopoly. It was FR who forced out BA. The trick is revenue allocation I believe, if short haul gets enough then the route stays in the black, if not, like BFS-LHR, it runs full but revenue went to long haul. Sounds barking. If BA intend to make a fight for Belfast, it seems they might yet make a fight for Dublin, quite where this leaves the EI codeshare going forward will be interesting.

[cornishsimon]

I doubt if anything would prevent the 767 operating LHR-DUB even considering DUB is ex T1 at LHR.

It will depend on loads and also very much on the cargo loads, if demand for passenger and cargo load is there they will send a 767, same as they currenty do for EDI, GLA, CDG, MAD etc.


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[EI-BUD]

Fares were quite extraordainarily high when it was a BA / EI duopoly. It was FR who forced out BA

Skipness one Echo, never disputed why BA left, the fact that I stated was that BA were using wide body aircraft and larger models like 757 on the route even at a time when they were losing money on the route.

[Jamie2k9]

Close to 1.9 million passengers for June up 3%.

UK - 600,000 dwon 1%
Europe - over 1 million up 4%
US/Canada - 180,000 up 5%
Middle East/Africa - 43,000 up 100%
Domestic - 5,000 down 66%

Euro 2012 helped but the extra capacity on certain routes has taken affect and increased passengers. US, Middle East and a number of European routes.

Year to date close to 9 million less than 1% decline on last year.

Latest News > Just Under 1.9M Passengers Used Dublin Airport in June

[PPRuNeUser0176]

Latest News > Aer Lingus Adds Five New Winter Routes From Dublin

Aer Lingus plans to improve connectivity at Dublin for passengers connecting between Europe and New York and Boston this winter with Berlin, Stockholm, Venice and Faro now accessible via Dublin Airport.

[Mlinnie]

Great news regarding Aer lingus ! But I don't understand why Helsinki can't remain year round.

[brian_dromey]

Im not sure either, but EI are quite weak into Scandanavia, in general. I don't believe that a market doesn't exist as Norwegian and SAS seem to do quite well out of Dublin.
Interestingly FR is relatively weak in Scandinavia too, I don't think easyJet is especially strong either. Maybe the Scandinavian market prefers indigenous brands?

[EI-BUD]

I wouldn't agree that Ryanair is 'relatively weak in Scandinavia', do u mean ex Dublin.? It was only a few years ago that Ryanair were said to be carrying more pax between London and Scandinavia than any other airline. They serve quite a few points there.

Easyjet have virtually no business in Scandinavia except for a few routes and Copenhagen.

[j636]

I know its being said that Aer Lingus have over taken Ryanair in terms of market share at DUB but does anyone have any info on the number of seats instead of the % and have FR cut or increased this summer compared to last year?

[brian_dromey]

I ment in reference to Norwegian, SAS and even Finnair, FR has very few intra-scandinavia routes. They do have a fair number of routes into and out of Scandinavia, but not a lot between smaller cities. Scandinavia is seemingly a tough nut to crack, many airlines have come and gone over the years, Norwegian seems to be one of the few to stay the course.

[stab3.5up]

wots the story with the staff parking

[Stevek]

Temporarily moved to the green cark park as the current one is finally being resurfaced.

[PPRuNeUser0176]

Have flights bieng suspended, lots of flights holding and some diverted between 22.00-22.30?

Actualy it may have something to do with a FR flight to BUD which departed but not showen as canceled on DUB website and diverted on FR website.

[Jamie2k9]

Maintenance was required he common area of 28/34/16 which ment 10 was restricted added to there was a strong tail wind which caused a number of diversions.

FR flight to BUD has diverted to Stansted.

I know its being said that Aer Lingus have over taken Ryanair in terms of market share at DUB but does anyone have any info on the number of seats instead of the % and have FR cut or increased this summer compared to last year?

FR have remained fairly flat this summer and just over 1 million seats is the differance between EI and FR.

[Jamie2k9]

Aeroflot are in talks about adding Dublin from March 2013. It was due to happen this year but the airline have confirmed it.

[stab3.5up]

I wud guesz that s7 wont becoming back then.

[PPRuNeUser0176]

Ryanair have taken up all the capacity on Krakow route, they have increased it form 6 to 9 weeky for winter. EI operated 3 weekly last witner.

[Mlinnie]

I have a couple of questions
1. Anyone know what the loads are like on the weekly Tunisair charter flight to Enfidha ? And will it be continued into the winter season ?
2. Will Sata International continue it's Funchal service & will American Airlines continue Chicago into the winter ?
3. Will Bacau with Blue Air remain year round ?
4. How likely is it that we will see a service to California or another Middle Eastern route next year ?

[IrishFlyer2013]

1. Anyone know what the loads are like on the weekly Tunisair charter flight to Enfidha ? And will it be continued into the winter season ?

DUB-NBE finishes at the end of October. The flights will resume at the end of March 2013 for the Summer 2013 schedule.

2. Will Sata International continue it's Funchal service & will American Airlines continue Chicago into the winter ?

DUB-FNC finishes on the 21 October, it will most likely return for the Summer 2013 season.

American Airline's DUB-ORD service is a Summer Only service.