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Old 14th Dec 2014, 15:54
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Racedo said...(the portacabin)...Put there by DAA who wasted the €billion

Yes Racedo, would Ryanair have preferred a tent?
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Old 14th Dec 2014, 20:31
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A White Elephant is useless. T2 is clearly not. As someone else pointed out would there be US Pre Clearance for every flight in T1 if there was no T2? I doubt it.


The simple fact is that 20 million passengers in one terminal per year was lunatic. Argue about the cost by all means but it certainly isn't a white elephant. Both terminals are far more pleasant to pass through than T1 was at its height.
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Old 15th Dec 2014, 12:12
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Funny how that no matter how many times its explained to certain Ryanair fanbois that T2 didn't cost a billion they return to making that claim. As if there's no other facet of an argument left...
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Old 15th Dec 2014, 12:45
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And by Racedo's/Ryanair's accounting I suppose the portacabin cost the DAA about €50 million?
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Old 15th Dec 2014, 22:23
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Funny how that no matter how many times its explained to certain Ryanair fanbois that T2 didn't cost a billion they return to making that claim. As if there's no other facet of an argument left...
Feel like just putting the links up to the debate that happened here 4 years ago.

The cost of building T2 plus the write off of Assets previously built at Dublin pretty much hit the billion mark.

There was land held by McEvaddy brothers who proposed building a low cost terminal for a fraction of DAA costs but DAA and Unions did everything in their power to ensure it never could happen.

After all this would destroy their powerbase then again the Unions did offer to run T2.
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Old 15th Dec 2014, 22:31
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The type of high yielding Business passengers which FR are now trying to attract won't settle for rubbish airport services. FR want more profit however they are having to spend more to achieve it.

Feel like just putting the links up to the debate that happened here 4 years ago.

The cost of building T2 plus the write off of Assets previously built at Dublin pretty much hit the billion mark.

There was land held by McEvaddy brothers who proposed building a low cost terminal for a fraction of DAA costs but DAA and Unions did everything in their power to ensure it never could happen.

After all this would destroy their powerbase then again the Unions did offer to run T2.
While I don't like unions bowing to FR demands shouldn't happen either as it will never end well. By the way the some of the cost of T2 will not be paid through airport charges.
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Old 16th Dec 2014, 11:03
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The cost of building T2 plus the write off of Assets previously built at Dublin pretty much hit the billion mark.
Go ahead - because whatever you're going to post isn't going to show that.

1Bn was the cost of the entire set of works to the airport, including Pier D - without which, FR wouldn't have particularly much to operate from. T2 didn't cost 1Bn and even if you manage to justify pulling unconnected costs it, you're not going to "pretty much hit" 1Bn either. You really need to stop believing this crap, as it makes for an incredibly weak argument when you parrot it to people who know it to be false.

There was land held by McEvaddy brothers who proposed building a low cost terminal for a fraction of DAA costs but DAA and Unions did everything in their power to ensure it never could happen.
There's nowhere in the world where the scheme they cooked up would have been allowed, despite what Micky tells us.
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Old 16th Dec 2014, 22:16
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Go ahead - because whatever you're going to post isn't going to show that.

1Bn was the cost of the entire set of works to the airport, including Pier D - without which, FR wouldn't have particularly much to operate from. T2 didn't cost 1Bn and even if you manage to justify pulling unconnected costs it, you're not going to "pretty much hit" 1Bn either. You really need to stop believing this crap, as it makes for an incredibly weak argument when you parrot it to people who know it to be false.
Then suggest you go back and reread.

Dublin didn't need a Billion spent on it, just like Cork didn't need $200 million spent on it.

There's nowhere in the world where the scheme they cooked up would have been allowed, despite what Micky tells us.
Not when you have the DAA management and Politicians involved.

Funny how its possible to privately build cost effective facilities elsewhere while Dublin blew a billion that will never be paid off.
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Old 16th Dec 2014, 23:25
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If you cant get currency right I would not hold out much hope for the rest of your argument.
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Old 17th Dec 2014, 14:42
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Then suggest you go back and reread.
Link to it, then.

Not when you have the DAA management and Politicians involved.
So where, precisely, do you have two competing terminals using a single airfield then?
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Old 17th Dec 2014, 16:05
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So where, precisely, do you have two competing terminals using a single airfield then?
Racedo is big enough to argue his/her own case, so I'll stay out of that, but here's one example of a competing terminal (JFK T4).
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Old 17th Dec 2014, 20:19
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Racedo is big enough to argue his/her own case, so I'll stay out of that, but here's one example of a competing terminal (JFK T4).
PPP with the Port Authority heavily involved... I'm sure the same scenario in Dublin would still have been derided due to DAA involvement.
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Old 19th Dec 2014, 18:48
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Thomson airways

Just wondering what Thomsons set up is at Dublin?
Do they have aircraft based at a Dublin all year around and if so how many?
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Old 19th Dec 2014, 19:07
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The same set as BfS in summer and a B738 Fri-Sun during winter. Aircraft positions from the UK. They also use EI this year to cut costs, used to be Thur to Sun based. They use a couple of other carriers in summer.
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Old 19th Dec 2014, 19:15
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Sunwing have been doing a lot of TOM flights out of DUB the last few years
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Old 19th Dec 2014, 19:40
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I never realised tom was in belfast during the winter
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Old 19th Dec 2014, 23:26
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Tarom

Are Tarom ending their Dublin operations?
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Old 20th Dec 2014, 13:17
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Costs of Dublin Airport

To one and all can I firstly say Merry Christmas and thanks to all who contributed to the forum this year.

I think the debate should move on from how much T2 cost to build; this is past event and can not be undone at this point.

My vision is that the scale of transatlantic operations can increase and Dublin can become a sort of mini Dubai for EU-US traffic and that is really achievable given our geography. Therefore, I see that we will need increased facilities. There may also be a need to develop extra facilities ...

Lets hope that when this does happen that DAA have learned from the T2 project, while it probably could have been done cheaper, it was celtic tiger Ireland when the whole thing was developed, a vastly different world to the one we now know.
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Old 20th Dec 2014, 23:18
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Link to it, then.
Do your own searching afterall you supposedly have been on PPRuNe since 2012.
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Old 20th Dec 2014, 23:39
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Racedo is big enough to argue his/her own case, so I'll stay out of that, but here's one example of a competing terminal (JFK T4).
Thanks bud

http://www.ucd.ie/geary/static/publi...ryWp200506.pdf

Study which looked at competing Terminals in Dublin which was looked at as a Govt policy until the politicians bottled it as already indicated.

Instead they blew a billion on T2.

Irelands Dept of Transport opposed ANY changes in Finance Ministers changes to charges to increase passenger throughput at Dublin which kind of shows why Civil Servants and Govt Monpolies are best kept out of aviation.
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