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That Copenhagen story in the Danish press:
Ryanair har søgt om 34 ruter fra Københavns Lufthavn
I'm surprised Shannon gets a mention...
Ryanair har søgt om 34 ruter fra Københavns Lufthavn
I'm surprised Shannon gets a mention...
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Ryanair confirmed today the significant drop in its operations at four Canarian airports, cancelling 21 routes and reducing frequencies on 32 routes from the end of October.
The reductions are:
The reductions are:
- Tenerife: 4 routes cancelled (Doncaster, Knock, Porto and Zaragoza), 10 routes with fewer frequencies and a total of 36 flights a week lost.
- Gran Canaria: 7 routes canceled (Bratislava, Baden Baden, Liverpool, Pisa, Santander, Zaragoza and Shannon), 8 routes with fewer frequencies and a total of 38 flights a week lost.
- Lanzarote: 6 routes terminated (Eindhoven, Baden Baden, Santander, Valencia, Valladolid and Zaragoza), 6 routes with fewer frequencies and a total of 38 flights a week lost.
- Fuerteventura: 4 routes ending (Edinburgh, Frankfurt Hahn, London Luton and Cork), 8 with fewer frequencies and a total of 30 flights a week lost.
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The reductions in Spain continue. MOL in Madrid today: "in response to the crazy decision of the Spanish Government to increase airport charges, Ryanair will cancel 11 routes from Madrid (among others to GRO, MAN and LEI) and 4 from BCN (like LBC or TRS). According to him, "these cuts will produce a combined loss of 2.3 million passengers and 2,000 jobs in Madrid and Barcelona."
There will be also frequency reductions on 46 routes from both cities.
There will be also frequency reductions on 46 routes from both cities.
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More likely FR are doing what they always do and are chopping a bunch of routes that they've realised aren't going to be commercially viable this winter and are finding a convenient excuse to blame that on someone else.
...it is becoming something of a tired old record...
...it is becoming something of a tired old record...
If any regional Govt were to seriously consider providing "marketing support" to FR for a year or two, presumably they would by now expect this kind of reaction when the money runs out, and thus factor it in when doing the original deal before any payments begin.
In other words (numbers are hypothetical)
We think that paying 1 million euros per year will encourage the development of 5 new routes. But we know that FR will make a huge fuss in 2 years time when payments end, so we'll ask for 8 new routes for the money. In 2 years time, we expect 3 out of 8 routes to have failed, so we still get 5 new routes.
The result is that the local Govt doesn't have to get the choice of routes exactly correct - they leave it to the airline and passengers to decide. The local hoteliers don't care *where* the new tourists come from as long as it doesn't cannibalise existing air routes too much, just that they come
In other words (numbers are hypothetical)
We think that paying 1 million euros per year will encourage the development of 5 new routes. But we know that FR will make a huge fuss in 2 years time when payments end, so we'll ask for 8 new routes for the money. In 2 years time, we expect 3 out of 8 routes to have failed, so we still get 5 new routes.
The result is that the local Govt doesn't have to get the choice of routes exactly correct - they leave it to the airline and passengers to decide. The local hoteliers don't care *where* the new tourists come from as long as it doesn't cannibalise existing air routes too much, just that they come
We think that paying 1 million euros per year will encourage the development of 5 new routes. But we know that FR will make a huge fuss in 2 years time when payments end, so we'll ask for 8 new routes for the money. In 2 years time, we expect 3 out of 8 routes to have failed, so we still get 5 new routes.
The result is that the local Govt doesn't have to get the choice of routes exactly correct - they leave it to the airline and passengers to decide. The local hoteliers don't care *where* the new tourists come from as long as it doesn't cannibalise existing air routes too much, just that they come
The result is that the local Govt doesn't have to get the choice of routes exactly correct - they leave it to the airline and passengers to decide. The local hoteliers don't care *where* the new tourists come from as long as it doesn't cannibalise existing air routes too much, just that they come
Remember a study of 5-6 years ago in Sunday Times (if I remember it correctly) which suggested average spend of weekend tourist on one of these routes was 200-300 including car hire / hotel / bar and restaurant etc etc..... makes a real difference within local economy if lose 100,000 passengers.
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Of course no one went to the Canaries before Ryanair started flying there. If the demand is there other airlines will fill it, but it is hard to see where else Ryanair could fly in the winter. It will have to leave even more of its planes on the ground.
Racedo - I completely agree that this has an impact on the local economy and hoteliers pay attention to this. My point though is that the local Govt are paying only *some* of the costs of the flights, not all the costs and when entering a marketing support agreement should expect some routes to fail, despite best intentions of the local Govt, tourist board, airport and airline, particularly when Ryanair's main airports are often away from the largest of population centres.
FR as a business that aims to make money should cut routes if they are not performing well and a regional Govt should not waste money funding inbound routes when even Ryanair is showing weak loads or yields - it indicates there are not enough people flying from that airport willing to spend money on hotels, restaurants etc.
As an example the Languedoc regional Govt might well want to encourage flights from East Midlands to Nimes in the spring and autumn to extend their main tourist season. Leicestershire council would probably be wasting their money in subsidising the reverse route.
Any regional Govt when entering a funding agreement with Ryanair should expect maybe a quarter (?) of routes to be hopeless, another quarter to be viable only if they pay a big subsidy and the remaining 50% of routes to be capable of standing on their own without subsidy. When the subsidy runs out everyone will have a good idea which routes bring in lots of high spending tourists and which just import cabin air, particularly when combined with data from the tourist board and hoteliers.
Sure, Ryanair would like to be subsidised on 75% of routes, but if 50% of routes are sustainable anyway, then out of 8 routes the local Govt may be better off paying zero subsidy and getting 4 routes, compared to subsidising 8 routes and being given in return for 2 extra mediocre routes and 2 extra hopeless routes.
FR as a business that aims to make money should cut routes if they are not performing well and a regional Govt should not waste money funding inbound routes when even Ryanair is showing weak loads or yields - it indicates there are not enough people flying from that airport willing to spend money on hotels, restaurants etc.
As an example the Languedoc regional Govt might well want to encourage flights from East Midlands to Nimes in the spring and autumn to extend their main tourist season. Leicestershire council would probably be wasting their money in subsidising the reverse route.
Any regional Govt when entering a funding agreement with Ryanair should expect maybe a quarter (?) of routes to be hopeless, another quarter to be viable only if they pay a big subsidy and the remaining 50% of routes to be capable of standing on their own without subsidy. When the subsidy runs out everyone will have a good idea which routes bring in lots of high spending tourists and which just import cabin air, particularly when combined with data from the tourist board and hoteliers.
Sure, Ryanair would like to be subsidised on 75% of routes, but if 50% of routes are sustainable anyway, then out of 8 routes the local Govt may be better off paying zero subsidy and getting 4 routes, compared to subsidising 8 routes and being given in return for 2 extra mediocre routes and 2 extra hopeless routes.
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Summer 2013
It's probably been asked here before, but I can't find it on this thread anywhere...does anyone know when summer 2013 will be on sale? More specifically routes from Stansted to Sweden?
Any advice is greatly appreciated.
PP
Any advice is greatly appreciated.
PP
Of course no one went to the Canaries before Ryanair started flying there. If the demand is there other airlines will fill it, but it is hard to see where else Ryanair could fly in the winter. It will have to leave even more of its planes on the ground.
In 2008 TFS had 8.3 million passenger
In 2009 7.1
In 2010 7.4
In 2011 8.6
Lanzaraote in same time went from
2008 5.4M,
2009 4.7M,
2010 4.9M back to
2011 5.5 Million.
If demand was such from elsewhere then why are others not doing the routes ?
DJ
As per usual valid points...........
Sometimes routes will go through phases where they will have decent numbers and yields and then numbers will just disappear for a period of time and sometime dog routes on paper are good enough because they pick up a following not previously foreseen.
As per usual valid points...........
Sometimes routes will go through phases where they will have decent numbers and yields and then numbers will just disappear for a period of time and sometime dog routes on paper are good enough because they pick up a following not previously foreseen.
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Ryanair intentions with KUN base
Jamie 2 k or others more familiar with the RYR planning, do you have info on what is ryanair doing with its KUN base in Lithuania? Director General of Kaunas airport that brought Ryanair to LT resigned last week and rumours are going on that on this is somehow related to the pressure from the Ministry of Transport of Lithuania on Kaunas to limit its further development (currently, Vilnius is only the third largest airport in the baltics but they could become the second if they make RYR to have most of its operations in Vilnius instead of Kaunas). Some sources thus say that there would only be one plane left in the base and many routes axed (and indeed, only 4 or 5 routes from KUN are on sale for the winter season). Difficult to understand, since at the same time they are currently constructing MRO facility there. thanks for anyone bringing some clarity on the RYR intentions in LT!
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Ryanair: interested in fly to Israel.
Budget airline Ryanair expresses interest in entering Israeli market
Says Israel must ratify open-skies aviation pact.
European low-cost airline Ryanair has expressed an interest in offering flights to Israel and is calling on Transportation Minister Yisrael Katz to sign the so-called open-skies aviation policy with the European Union.
Israel has already agreed in principle to the open-skies pact - which is expected to greatly increase flights offered by European airlines - but has been delaying a final decision over concerns about its impact on local air carriers, notably El Al Israel Airlines. [...]
Budget airline Ryanair expresses interest in entering Israeli market - Israel News | Haaretz Daily Newspaper
Says Israel must ratify open-skies aviation pact.
European low-cost airline Ryanair has expressed an interest in offering flights to Israel and is calling on Transportation Minister Yisrael Katz to sign the so-called open-skies aviation policy with the European Union.
Israel has already agreed in principle to the open-skies pact - which is expected to greatly increase flights offered by European airlines - but has been delaying a final decision over concerns about its impact on local air carriers, notably El Al Israel Airlines. [...]
Budget airline Ryanair expresses interest in entering Israeli market - Israel News | Haaretz Daily Newspaper
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Ryanair winter on sale?
Does anybody know has Ryanair finished putting on sale most of their flights for winter 2012? As I have experienced, more or less all flights are on sale and those routes which are not is on question mark or to be suspended for the winter?
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Regarding Ryanair KUN operation
strated_pax: We will see. I think limitation of government really is not a problem. Ryanair is decreasing overall operation in Baltics. They closed 8 routes in RIX this spring and going to close 3 more routes in winter. In Tallinn (TLL) they are going to leave only with 3 routes for a winter, down from 10 in summer. No routes closed in Vilnius (VNO), but some of them get frequency reductions and in VNO Ryanair is pushed by WizzAir. WizzAir had 2 based aircraft in VNO with 13 routes.