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Budapest
4 planned routes canceled - Chania, Palma, Rhodes & Trapani - low demand
(Wizz will be starting these or airports near by)
2 new routes - Weeze Billund - from May
Barcelona, Paris and London - extra flights
(Wizz will be starting these or airports near by)
2 new routes - Weeze Billund - from May
Barcelona, Paris and London - extra flights
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There is still scope there so for a twice weekly Budapest Cork if you take into account that number of cancelled routes.
Why not give it a try - with all the Munster vet and medical students from Ireland in Budapest it would be a banker taking into account the kids's parents and pals wanting to go over to visit their loved ones during term time.
It would be a winner!
Why not give it a try - with all the Munster vet and medical students from Ireland in Budapest it would be a banker taking into account the kids's parents and pals wanting to go over to visit their loved ones during term time.
It would be a winner!
Ryanair: Budget Airline's Advert Saying Bye Bye Thomas Cook Is Banned By Watchdog | Business | Sky News
Are there no depths they will sink to to obtain publicity?
Are there no depths they will sink to to obtain publicity?
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Well, not really. The general public won't have an opinion on this but anyone working in sales at Thomas Cook would rightly consider this an unfair manipulation of the facts for commercial advantage. The number of complaints is irrelevant in this instance.
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Anyway, if the local rules require such nonsense one simply has to cope with that and adjust turnaround times accordingly. It is not rocket science, is it?
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"Somehow I doubt they pay ALV / AHV / IV / OPK and all the other niceties that get deducted from your salary before having to pay income tax in Switzerland. Or were you trying to repeat that we do not pay taxes just because some ugly small man with big ears pretending to run France says so repeatedly? Or did you try to explain something else?"
Yes, I agree. Wizz Air don't pay anything "nice" in Switzerland to the "employees" benefit. It isn't aimed at benefiting "employees".
The reason the company is nominally headquartered in GVA is more to do with offsetting Corporation tax liabilities than anything else.
Anyway, seeing as most Wizz Air "service providers" are responsible for their own taxes, it is none of the company's issue or problem when "employees/service providers" get investigated for tax evasion.
The fact that your payslip says "Swiss Tax" does not necessarily mean that you have no liabilities elsewhere. For instance in your home country.
Be careful not to confuse paying 5% of earnings in Switzerland with the reality of an outstanding tax liability to your local tax office in your place of residence.
Yes, I agree. Wizz Air don't pay anything "nice" in Switzerland to the "employees" benefit. It isn't aimed at benefiting "employees".
The reason the company is nominally headquartered in GVA is more to do with offsetting Corporation tax liabilities than anything else.
Anyway, seeing as most Wizz Air "service providers" are responsible for their own taxes, it is none of the company's issue or problem when "employees/service providers" get investigated for tax evasion.
The fact that your payslip says "Swiss Tax" does not necessarily mean that you have no liabilities elsewhere. For instance in your home country.
Be careful not to confuse paying 5% of earnings in Switzerland with the reality of an outstanding tax liability to your local tax office in your place of residence.
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The number of complaints is irrelevant in this instance.
Map still showing GRX, so is anything going to happen? Not sure why I couldn't see CGN the other day, it is clearly there now.
Any comments on why the ETS charge is only 25p?
ASA can say what it wants, reality few advertisers care what it says and a slap on the wrist months later has little impact apart from getting you more column inches with the old advert.
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ASA can say what it wants, reality few advertisers care what it says and a slap on the wrist months later has little impact apart from getting you more column inches with the old advert.
I think most people have bigger worries at the moment than this though.
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I think bmibaby had a similar problem when it started AMS into BHD with the crews then doing BHD EMA they were required to seal the aircraft clear immigration and back out through staff re open the aircraft and prep for boarding not something that helps turn round times
Ryanair Calls on OFT to Explain Why EU Commission is "Best?
Difficult to disagree with the complete and utter inconsistency of this.
On the basis of OFT acting on Ryanair - Aer Lingus then Irish Takeover Commission has ever right to investigate IAG-BMI.
Difficult to disagree with the complete and utter inconsistency of this.
On the basis of OFT acting on Ryanair - Aer Lingus then Irish Takeover Commission has ever right to investigate IAG-BMI.
I don't think you understand the problem. I suspect that I have operated through Budapest more times than you have had hot dinners. On not one single occasion was I, or any of my crew, required to go through immigration and back out again during a tech stop.
If I were asked to make a guess at what is really going on at Budapest, I would be looking at local airfield politics.
Just imagine that a bunch of senior Malev captains had a beer on the odd occasion with the chaps in immigration in their local pub.
Suddenly, Malev goes bust and the unfortunate chaps who are now out of a job, quite understandibly, resent Ryanair moving in to what was their golden bowler until last week when the sh*t hit the fan.
The immigration guys can't get away with b*ggering up Lufthansa etc etc but they can get away with b*ggering up any Ryanair crew member who has had the audacity to be based in BUD.
This is local politics; no more, no less.
If I were asked to make a guess at what is really going on at Budapest, I would be looking at local airfield politics.
Just imagine that a bunch of senior Malev captains had a beer on the odd occasion with the chaps in immigration in their local pub.
Suddenly, Malev goes bust and the unfortunate chaps who are now out of a job, quite understandibly, resent Ryanair moving in to what was their golden bowler until last week when the sh*t hit the fan.
The immigration guys can't get away with b*ggering up Lufthansa etc etc but they can get away with b*ggering up any Ryanair crew member who has had the audacity to be based in BUD.
This is local politics; no more, no less.
After having reached 50 posts with apparently nobody having any clue about what is the huffuf all about, maybe time to set the record straight:
The issue is all about an aircraft that arrives from a non-schengen destination, and departs to a schengen one, or vice versa, because in that case the crew technically crosses the schengen border at turnaround.
This does not affect simple incoming turnaround flights, because crews ariving from non-schengen airports technically never enter, and naturally crews from schengen flights need no control.
FR crew is based in Budapest. Depending on the destination of the first leg, they either have to go through passport control or not at duty start. When they do multiple legs with a return to base and the inward and outward legs go to different zones, that's when the fuss happens.
The EU rule is that if someone crosses the schengen borders, they must be controlled. That's what the border police say.
The FR view is that their crew never actually cross the schengen borders, because they board the aircraft at duty start, never leave it, and deplane in Budapest at duty end, so their journey originates and ends in the schengen zone. They do have a point, nevertheless FR would agree to the crew being controlled at the start of the day, and again at duty end, but the police will hear nothing about it, that is against EU rules.
From what I gather, FR is the only airline which is faced with this particular problem, Wizz rosters the flights to avoid it, everyone else uses foreign based crew. Mind you, I'd be the last to defend MOL, and as a matter of principle, I will never pay them a penny, I'd rather walk or swim. However I do think that in this particular case FR is rightly suggesting that our local authorities, otherwise highly competent and of an unimpeachable integrity, do display somewhat below average intelligence in this particular case...
The issue is all about an aircraft that arrives from a non-schengen destination, and departs to a schengen one, or vice versa, because in that case the crew technically crosses the schengen border at turnaround.
This does not affect simple incoming turnaround flights, because crews ariving from non-schengen airports technically never enter, and naturally crews from schengen flights need no control.
FR crew is based in Budapest. Depending on the destination of the first leg, they either have to go through passport control or not at duty start. When they do multiple legs with a return to base and the inward and outward legs go to different zones, that's when the fuss happens.
The EU rule is that if someone crosses the schengen borders, they must be controlled. That's what the border police say.
The FR view is that their crew never actually cross the schengen borders, because they board the aircraft at duty start, never leave it, and deplane in Budapest at duty end, so their journey originates and ends in the schengen zone. They do have a point, nevertheless FR would agree to the crew being controlled at the start of the day, and again at duty end, but the police will hear nothing about it, that is against EU rules.
From what I gather, FR is the only airline which is faced with this particular problem, Wizz rosters the flights to avoid it, everyone else uses foreign based crew. Mind you, I'd be the last to defend MOL, and as a matter of principle, I will never pay them a penny, I'd rather walk or swim. However I do think that in this particular case FR is rightly suggesting that our local authorities, otherwise highly competent and of an unimpeachable integrity, do display somewhat below average intelligence in this particular case...
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@ hunter58
My point is that most Wizz service providers DON'T live in Switzerland.
On average, deductions for "Swiss Tax" are about 5-10% on average from the service providers pay packet. They don't live there, get no social security there, but pay tax there. Irrespective of whether they ever go there - and they certainly aren't based there!
Quite a few people think that is their tax obligation dealt with, when it obviously is not.
I'm glad to hear you pay more than 5% tax in Switzerland. Where you LIVE. It's a nice place. I'm sure you love it.
The issue I mentioned is exclusive to Wizz Air in that their self employed service providers even get "taxed" in Switzerland irrespective of domicile. Or their wishes. Or the fact that Wizz Air have absolutely no operational set up in Switzerland, excepting a token group of senior executives.
Funny old business.
Anyway, back to Ryanair being shafted for a change. Happy days!
My point is that most Wizz service providers DON'T live in Switzerland.
On average, deductions for "Swiss Tax" are about 5-10% on average from the service providers pay packet. They don't live there, get no social security there, but pay tax there. Irrespective of whether they ever go there - and they certainly aren't based there!
Quite a few people think that is their tax obligation dealt with, when it obviously is not.
I'm glad to hear you pay more than 5% tax in Switzerland. Where you LIVE. It's a nice place. I'm sure you love it.
The issue I mentioned is exclusive to Wizz Air in that their self employed service providers even get "taxed" in Switzerland irrespective of domicile. Or their wishes. Or the fact that Wizz Air have absolutely no operational set up in Switzerland, excepting a token group of senior executives.
Funny old business.
Anyway, back to Ryanair being shafted for a change. Happy days!
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ABORTED TAKE-OFF RYANAIR PALERMO-PISA
Today for the Ryanair flight Pisa-Palermo. Ready for take off, after about 200 meters of track traveled with the engines throttle, the pilot decided to abort the takeoff. Upon exiting the runway, the plane stopped at a junction and the first officer, Italian, said that they decided to abort the takeoff for a small technical problem. After about 40 minutes before the plane left, after technicians from Dublin have given the OK to start, as communicated by the first officer. The flight then continued peacefully... and eventually arrived with only 20 minutes behind the scheduled time..
Today for the Ryanair flight Pisa-Palermo. Ready for take off, after about 200 meters of track traveled with the engines throttle, the pilot decided to abort the takeoff. Upon exiting the runway, the plane stopped at a junction and the first officer, Italian, said that they decided to abort the takeoff for a small technical problem. After about 40 minutes before the plane left, after technicians from Dublin have given the OK to start, as communicated by the first officer. The flight then continued peacefully... and eventually arrived with only 20 minutes behind the scheduled time..
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Yeah!.......Like...I'll applaud O'Leary EVER!!
You have Hitler, PolPot and O'Leary lined up against a wall, and you have a pistol with two bullets. Who do you shoot?
Answer: O'Leary. Twice.
