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MAN - The North's Gateway
Fact is that many of the posters have all got a valid point. Expansion at Liverpool, Leeds, Newcastle in the good years has been impressive. But the fact remains that the only sustainable option for major aviation growth in the North of England lies with MAN. The problem is with all the vested interests in the North, no-one is ever going to concede that this is so and put their backing behind MAN to develop all the knock-on financial improvements that would result elsewhere in the North from having one of the most vibrant 'spoke' airports in the world feeding into the major hubs plus its own dedciated liesure market.
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In withdrawing from Liverpool KLM have realised that serving airports 30 miles apart, except major hubs, is saturation rather than comprehensive coverage.
Delays this morning
Has it snowed this morning?
Flight information page shows loads of cancellations and delays from 08:30 onwards. My better half was meant to be flying in from BSL on LX378 but that's just been cancelled. METARS and airport website show nothing though.
Anyone know what's going on?
Flight information page shows loads of cancellations and delays from 08:30 onwards. My better half was meant to be flying in from BSL on LX378 but that's just been cancelled. METARS and airport website show nothing though.
Anyone know what's going on?
Chaos rules Im afraid. Well and truly caught with pants down.
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Chaos rules Im afraid. Well and truly caught with pants down.
Absolute tosh !!!, the volume of the wet snow that came down in such a short time would have closed any airfield, but i forgot, we should have used the 30 + snow ploughs we have in back up incase it snows once a year.
Face it, when we have the infrastructure that we have this is going to happen and its no-ones fault. Also take a look at the TAF's...this was not forecast.
Absolute tosh !!!, the volume of the wet snow that came down in such a short time would have closed any airfield, but i forgot, we should have used the 30 + snow ploughs we have in back up incase it snows once a year.
Face it, when we have the infrastructure that we have this is going to happen and its no-ones fault. Also take a look at the TAF's...this was not forecast.
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Quoting Mickyman -
Quoting ManofMan -
No that cant be right, I think you'll find that he was meant to say was, Like Heathrow, Manchester also comes to a girding halt and closes down with the first sight of a bit snow.
"Manchester - the Heathrow of the North"!
I take it he means because we will both have KLM services next summer ???
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Actually it was forecast - I had a look at the TAFs last night and this snow was forecast then. I agree though that with the amount of snow we get in Manchester, it's unrealistic to expect us to have Scandinavian levels of runway clearing equipment.
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I agree though that with the amount of snow we get in Manchester, it's unrealistic to expect us to have Scandinavian levels of runway clearing equipment.
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MAN has a fairly substantial amount of snow clearing equipment (compared to other UK airports at least) and over the past two weeks I've seen them testing it regularly im preparation for the snow. I believe stand 22 is still closed to house all the equipment so I can't see why we failed so badly this morning? Possible lack of staff due to the unexpected snow?
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Actually it was forecast - I had a look at the TAFs last night and this snow was forecast then. I agree though that with the amount of snow we get in Manchester, it's unrealistic to expect us to have Scandinavian levels of runway clearing equipment.
I would happily stand corrected but i dont recall and TAFs last night showing SN, I saw RASN but not SN.
Like i said happy to be proved wrong.
I would happily stand corrected but i dont recall and TAFs last night showing SN, I saw RASN but not SN.
Like i said happy to be proved wrong.
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Apart from the SNOCLO, only heard of one mishap. EI206 (EIN20D) had to go-around due to a slow moving vehicle taking much longer then expected to cross D1 to DZ1. As much as the driver of the vehicle was trying to apologise for this, the ATC wasn't too happy and the Shamrock pilot wasn't bothered at all!
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Roverman, do you realise how patronising some of your posts come across as? I for one appreciate the contribution that MAN makes to the northern economy, but I do not see that concentrating access to the region via one point helps other areas. The 'ripple' effect does not work in economic terms.
There may well only be room for one northern hub airport, and logic says that should be Manchester, but there are different markets at play here, and as demonstrated at Liverpool, Leeds and to some extent Blackpool, there is significant demand for point to point traffic from those airports. At present the economic climate makes that tough to sustain, but airports are generally a long term investment.
Given that despite the huge drop in Manchester pax numbers in recent years and the fact profits have remained steady, suggests that either other parts of the Group, especially EMA, are making notable contributions to the financial performance, or that income from pax is actually not that great and that the large majority of income comes from ancilliary activities and property - something MAG is well ahead of its competitors on.
Given future traffic forecasts, even the lower estimates now produced by the DfT, there is room for growth and a profitable future at More than just MAN.
There may well only be room for one northern hub airport, and logic says that should be Manchester, but there are different markets at play here, and as demonstrated at Liverpool, Leeds and to some extent Blackpool, there is significant demand for point to point traffic from those airports. At present the economic climate makes that tough to sustain, but airports are generally a long term investment.
Given that despite the huge drop in Manchester pax numbers in recent years and the fact profits have remained steady, suggests that either other parts of the Group, especially EMA, are making notable contributions to the financial performance, or that income from pax is actually not that great and that the large majority of income comes from ancilliary activities and property - something MAG is well ahead of its competitors on.
Given future traffic forecasts, even the lower estimates now produced by the DfT, there is room for growth and a profitable future at More than just MAN.
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Quite simply a number of flights were delayed, diverted and cancelled this morning which should not have been had an appropriate level of advance planning and in particular a timely response taken place. Be it SN or RASN (splitting degrees?) the warning signs were all there for anyone, even with minimum experience, to see. I only hope that lessons have been learned for the remainder of "our winter" and that the response is more appropriate next time. Last year you did well. Your first efforts this year left a lot to be desired and unfortunately have been costly to all of us . No excuses. You can and should do better MAN.
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I've been told they were understaffed this morning when the SNOCLO came about, simply didn't have enough people to drive the ploughs.
I've been told they were understaffed this morning when the SNOCLO came about, simply didn't have enough people to drive the ploughs.
Last edited by JackRalston; 16th Dec 2011 at 16:06.