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No doubt the transfer with BA via T5 *can* be a positive alternative compared to JFK/PHL. But this is based upon the experience of facilities within the shiny new T5 building. The reason I avoid the LHR connection is the unreliable record of the connecting flights themselves, not the attractive ambience of the departure lounge. LHR's fully subscribed runways have no margin for reduced traffic rates. And when there is a forecast of weather issues, industrial action, or just about any other problem you can think of ... be assured that it will be the MAN-LHR Shuttles which get it in the neck.
Now I know that there are many apologists on here who will suggest that it is better to cancel MAN flights rather than those serving destinations further afield. Well, that argument has been done here before so I won't labour the issues. Suffice to say that if you are the customer whose cruise ship from Miami left without them, will it comfort you to be told that BA maintained the full schedule to XYZ instead of MAN? If you are the NW-based business executive who misses that vital contract meeting in HKG because the MAN Shuttle was scrubbed, will it comfort you to know that BA prioritized the connection of your continental competitor at your expense?
When cancellations hit, BA has demonstrated a policy of not sharing the pain around. To cancel some MAN shuttles is understandable ... to scrub the lot en bloc is unreasonable. The excuse that [the world's most expensive per mile] walk-up fares are available on the train via Euston doesn't cut it. Apart from the cost issue, your connecting flight is likely to be long gone by the time you reach LHR.
So no matter how nice T5's passenger facilities are, as long as the MAN Shuttle remains the first choice fallguy for LHR's widely-recognized runway capacity issues, it will be more reliable hubs for my bookings please. MAN customers pay just as much for reliable travel arrangements as everybody else. The importance of their journeys should be afforded equal recognition and respect.
Regards. SHED.
No doubt the transfer with BA via T5 *can* be a positive alternative compared to JFK/PHL. But this is based upon the experience of facilities within the shiny new T5 building. The reason I avoid the LHR connection is the unreliable record of the connecting flights themselves, not the attractive ambience of the departure lounge. LHR's fully subscribed runways have no margin for reduced traffic rates. And when there is a forecast of weather issues, industrial action, or just about any other problem you can think of ... be assured that it will be the MAN-LHR Shuttles which get it in the neck.
Now I know that there are many apologists on here who will suggest that it is better to cancel MAN flights rather than those serving destinations further afield. Well, that argument has been done here before so I won't labour the issues. Suffice to say that if you are the customer whose cruise ship from Miami left without them, will it comfort you to be told that BA maintained the full schedule to XYZ instead of MAN? If you are the NW-based business executive who misses that vital contract meeting in HKG because the MAN Shuttle was scrubbed, will it comfort you to know that BA prioritized the connection of your continental competitor at your expense?
When cancellations hit, BA has demonstrated a policy of not sharing the pain around. To cancel some MAN shuttles is understandable ... to scrub the lot en bloc is unreasonable. The excuse that [the world's most expensive per mile] walk-up fares are available on the train via Euston doesn't cut it. Apart from the cost issue, your connecting flight is likely to be long gone by the time you reach LHR.
So no matter how nice T5's passenger facilities are, as long as the MAN Shuttle remains the first choice fallguy for LHR's widely-recognized runway capacity issues, it will be more reliable hubs for my bookings please. MAN customers pay just as much for reliable travel arrangements as everybody else. The importance of their journeys should be afforded equal recognition and respect.
Regards. SHED.
Shed-on-a-pole, I completely understand your view point as a customer. You cannot deny BA's logic however. It's undoubtedly an unpopular decision with MAN/Domestic pax but difficult decisions such as these are made by airlines (and business in general) on a regular basis. With some notice (which in some situations can be achieved) MAN pax can make alternative arrangements. Perhaps refunded by BA? I don't know.
The fact of the matter is whilst LHR is constricted and does have problems, these are only occasional. You, and others, make it sound like it is every other week that LHR faces meltdown. IMO, you are just as likely to be snowstorm bound in JFK or PHL in the Winter.
I personally don't think LHR is that bad from my experiences. Sure, it's not as slick as other airports but i've never found it horrifying. Perhaps some people on this board simply resent LHR for what it is and what MAN isn't? And that comes from a big supporter and "lover" of MAN.
The fact of the matter is whilst LHR is constricted and does have problems, these are only occasional. You, and others, make it sound like it is every other week that LHR faces meltdown. IMO, you are just as likely to be snowstorm bound in JFK or PHL in the Winter.
I personally don't think LHR is that bad from my experiences. Sure, it's not as slick as other airports but i've never found it horrifying. Perhaps some people on this board simply resent LHR for what it is and what MAN isn't? And that comes from a big supporter and "lover" of MAN.
I personally don't think LHR is that bad from my experiences
To add insult to injury MAN pax usually pay a hefty premium to be first in line for the chop. I recently checked a MAN-LHR-SIN , HKG-LHR-MAN J class ticket with BA, it was almost £1,000 cheaper to originate the same trip with BA from AMS rather than MAN.
Everyone has a choice / personal preference. I'd hub anywhere from MAN rather than LHR. ZRH or MUC are my choices eastbound & ATL westbound.
Of course many people are now enjoying the DXB / AUH / DOH experiences. With almost more flights there than LHR anyway, the virtual demise of a BMI shuttle service, the LHR hub is becoming less and less relevant to Manchester anyway.
I kind of think this subject has been done to death & maybe any mention of LHR should be obliterated now from the Manchster thread ?
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To add insult to injury MAN pax usually pay a hefty premium to be first in line for the chop. I recently checked a MAN-LHR-SIN , HKG-LHR-MAN J class ticket with BA, it was almost £1,000 cheaper to originate the same trip with BA from AMS rather than MAN.
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easyflyer83 -
I completely accept your point that any airport can suffer days of disruption due to weather and other issues, and tough decisions must be made by the carriers affected as a consequence. But the key consideration from the point of view of MAN customers is that if UAL / AWE / AAL etc cancel your flight you can be pretty sure that the bulk of their flying programme fell by the wayside first. At LHR - where runway capacity is a critical issue - MAN flights ARE (like it or not) always first in line for the chop. And the chop does happen too frequently for me as a customer to entrust my travel arrangements to the main carrier in question. If I thought that they would spread the pain around - eg. cancel half the MAN-LHR schedules and afew flights from elsewhere - then I might be more inclined to give them another chance. However, this does not appear to be the policy so I cannot book a journey connecting via LHR with confidence.
I am aware that airlines must make difficult decisions from time to time and I sympathise with that. But customers have their own decisions to make too, and I also sympathise with those who prioritize their self-interest. In booking their travel arrangements with carriers which only cancel them 'in extremis' rather than at the first whiff of problems affecting their hub, customers can maximize their chances of enjoying a trouble-free trip. That is what I do.
Sadly, LHR's runway capacity is stuck in a time-warp, and however they improve the terminal facilities that remains an issue for pax originating at MAN. Because it is we who get cancelled first. And the notion that we would be refunded if all goes wrong is a red herring ... monies paid for a product which is not delivered belongs to the customer anyway. If you have committed your scarce and precious holiday entitlement to a major trip, a refund and two weeks at home is probably not what you had in mind? You may be refunded money which was already yours. You may receive some additional compensation (if you are lucky). But will you get replacement leave from work? Will you get an alternative vacation?
My recommendation to friends booking travel from MAN is to select the airline which offers the best prospect of providing a trouble-free trip. Or, when things do go wrong, a company which demonstrably does its utmost to get you there by other means. From the point of view of MAN customers, there is one well-known airline which consistently falls short based on those criteria. And worse, they still consider stitching up MAN pax to be their best possible option when problems arise, so the record is unlikely to improve. So sorry - no LHR transfers for me thanks!
Regards. SHED.
I completely accept your point that any airport can suffer days of disruption due to weather and other issues, and tough decisions must be made by the carriers affected as a consequence. But the key consideration from the point of view of MAN customers is that if UAL / AWE / AAL etc cancel your flight you can be pretty sure that the bulk of their flying programme fell by the wayside first. At LHR - where runway capacity is a critical issue - MAN flights ARE (like it or not) always first in line for the chop. And the chop does happen too frequently for me as a customer to entrust my travel arrangements to the main carrier in question. If I thought that they would spread the pain around - eg. cancel half the MAN-LHR schedules and afew flights from elsewhere - then I might be more inclined to give them another chance. However, this does not appear to be the policy so I cannot book a journey connecting via LHR with confidence.
I am aware that airlines must make difficult decisions from time to time and I sympathise with that. But customers have their own decisions to make too, and I also sympathise with those who prioritize their self-interest. In booking their travel arrangements with carriers which only cancel them 'in extremis' rather than at the first whiff of problems affecting their hub, customers can maximize their chances of enjoying a trouble-free trip. That is what I do.
Sadly, LHR's runway capacity is stuck in a time-warp, and however they improve the terminal facilities that remains an issue for pax originating at MAN. Because it is we who get cancelled first. And the notion that we would be refunded if all goes wrong is a red herring ... monies paid for a product which is not delivered belongs to the customer anyway. If you have committed your scarce and precious holiday entitlement to a major trip, a refund and two weeks at home is probably not what you had in mind? You may be refunded money which was already yours. You may receive some additional compensation (if you are lucky). But will you get replacement leave from work? Will you get an alternative vacation?
My recommendation to friends booking travel from MAN is to select the airline which offers the best prospect of providing a trouble-free trip. Or, when things do go wrong, a company which demonstrably does its utmost to get you there by other means. From the point of view of MAN customers, there is one well-known airline which consistently falls short based on those criteria. And worse, they still consider stitching up MAN pax to be their best possible option when problems arise, so the record is unlikely to improve. So sorry - no LHR transfers for me thanks!
Regards. SHED.
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Not sure if this is where I should ask but I'm flying DUB-MAN-PFO with FR first and then EZ. I don't have any hold luggage. I'm just wondering can I transfer airside from T2 to T3 or do I have to clear customs in T2 and go thru security screening again at T3? Any advice much appreciated. Thanks.
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EISNN, Enjoy your trip Paphos is a lovely place.
You can get personalised transfer information for your journey here:
Manchester Airport : MyAirport
But I would have thought that if you have only hand luggage as you state and have already checked in and have your boarding pass for the EZY flight you could follow the international to international airside transfer.
You can get personalised transfer information for your journey here:
Manchester Airport : MyAirport
But I would have thought that if you have only hand luggage as you state and have already checked in and have your boarding pass for the EZY flight you could follow the international to international airside transfer.
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Lounges at Man and Websites
I don't want this to be a 'what plane is operating my flight?' thing, but I'm rather confused.
Unlike all you seasoned travellers on this site, I've never travelled Business Class before. But in a couple of weeks time, I'm travelling Swiss to Barcelona changing at Geneva, and I thought, what the hell!
I wondered if I could use a lounge at MAN. So I went on Swiss's website, which indeed confirmed I could use the Wilmslow lounge in T1. Now before you all rapaciously reach for your typing fingers, I realised my flight was operated by BMI from T3 - Swiss may indeed operate their own flights from T1.
The BMI website on lounges was not helpful and seemed to focus on what they offered at LHR. Perhaps I missed a link, but the fact I did either makes me thick or it wasn't well signed,
So I tried MAN's website and found a section on 'Lounges'. Lo and behold there was a 'bmi Executive lounge' in T3.
Whether to do some serious work or completely chill-out [sic], our world-beating selection of lounges are havens of peace and serenity before your flight.
Just click on a lounge to find out more and start relaxing
I did click and, of course, nothing happened.
So apart from being a personal query (which I'd be delighted to get an answer for, i.e. which lounge could I use and if so what are the facilities?), could MAN and the airlines' websites get their acts together to provide better information?
Unlike all you seasoned travellers on this site, I've never travelled Business Class before. But in a couple of weeks time, I'm travelling Swiss to Barcelona changing at Geneva, and I thought, what the hell!
I wondered if I could use a lounge at MAN. So I went on Swiss's website, which indeed confirmed I could use the Wilmslow lounge in T1. Now before you all rapaciously reach for your typing fingers, I realised my flight was operated by BMI from T3 - Swiss may indeed operate their own flights from T1.
The BMI website on lounges was not helpful and seemed to focus on what they offered at LHR. Perhaps I missed a link, but the fact I did either makes me thick or it wasn't well signed,
So I tried MAN's website and found a section on 'Lounges'. Lo and behold there was a 'bmi Executive lounge' in T3.
Whether to do some serious work or completely chill-out [sic], our world-beating selection of lounges are havens of peace and serenity before your flight.
Just click on a lounge to find out more and start relaxing
I did click and, of course, nothing happened.
So apart from being a personal query (which I'd be delighted to get an answer for, i.e. which lounge could I use and if so what are the facilities?), could MAN and the airlines' websites get their acts together to provide better information?
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JC.
Is your routing correct, BMI fly to Basel(Basle), depending on how you like to spell it.
Not seen a BMI flight to Geneva.
Cheaper option could have been with Monarch direct,purchase the extra leg room seats at the front, and the £15 (or whatever they charge now) for lounge access.
J.
Is your routing correct, BMI fly to Basel(Basle), depending on how you like to spell it.
Not seen a BMI flight to Geneva.
Cheaper option could have been with Monarch direct,purchase the extra leg room seats at the front, and the £15 (or whatever they charge now) for lounge access.
J.
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Why on earth anyone would fly to Barcelona with a connection is completely beyond me when there are a plethora of direct flights. Is business class really worth bothering with for the sake of having to change planes and add 2 hours to the trip?
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Why on earth anyone would fly to Barcelona with a connection is completely beyond me when there are a plethora of direct flights. Is business class really worth bothering with for the sake of having to change planes and add 2 hours to the trip?