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[roverman]

MAN revenues

Back to the topic of ticket prices / revenues. The huge capacity and competition at LHR as compared to MAN doesn't explain why MAN long-hauls have sometimes been cited as poor earners (BA / bmi used this reason to pull routes, as have others) when passengers seem to be paying high prices for tickets as compared to LHR, where revenues and yields are said to be good. Is it because LHR gets more expensive bums on seats at the front end who subsidise the back?

[Shrimps]

BE commence Derry LDY service from 19th May.

Ops 1--4567

Dep MAN 11.20 Arr LDY 12.25
Dep LDY 12.50 Arr MAN 13.55

Presumably a DH8 if it's MAN based.

[AUTOGLIDE]

Back to the topic of ticket prices / revenues. The huge capacity and competition at LHR as compared to MAN doesn't explain why MAN long-hauls have sometimes been cited as poor earners (BA / bmi used this reason to pull routes, as have others) when passengers seem to be paying high prices for tickets as compared to LHR, where revenues and yields are said to be good. Is it because LHR gets more expensive bums on seats at the front end who subsidise the back?

I believe logistics issues/costs of having one or two L/H aircraft, such in terms of supplying crew (in BA's case with that B767 they used for JFK) at MAN and away from the bulk of the airline fleet doesn't help.

[PPRuNe Pop]

Autoglide, has it one!

POLITICS have no place in this thread or on this site and all such have been deleted. And while we are at it one or two of you are riding the edge of broken saddle and we will help you off for a while if this topic is not adhered to. Your choice.

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[wanna_be_there]

Rumours to suggest RAM are going to announce MAN. They ran a few charters to cassablanca last year, so could be those again, or could be a scheduled route.

[MUFC_fan]

True to a degree, but a factor is also that with less capacity from MAN (compared to LHR) the airlines don't have to offer such cheap fares to get decent loads. It will be interesting to see if the picture changes with the planned capacity increases by QR/EY, and the rumoured one from EK.

Very true - just what I wrote.

Back to the topic of ticket prices / revenues. The huge capacity and competition at LHR as compared to MAN doesn't explain why MAN long-hauls have sometimes been cited as poor earners (BA / bmi used this reason to pull routes, as have others) when passengers seem to be paying high prices for tickets as compared to LHR, where revenues and yields are said to be good. Is it because LHR gets more expensive bums on seats at the front end who subsidise the back?

I think that on long haul, most LHR carriers offer F class therefore revenues are always going to be higher as there is more demand in London for more F destinations. Having said that, MAN now has F on two (currently) of it's long haul carriers so therefore I would assume they're competing effectively with LHR.

Having said that, LHR is a global connection hub. They can make some very nice profits in transferring passengers which I would guess is where the money is to be made.

[AUTOGLIDE]

Autoglide, has it one!

POLITICS have no place in this thread or on this site and all such have been deleted. And while we are at it one or two of you are riding the edge of broken saddle and we will help you off for a while if this topic is not adhered to. Your choice.

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Sorry but this post makes no sense. Have no idea what it is supposed to mean. I wasn't dealing with anything about politics.

[easyflyer83]

Autoglide, i think the Mod was agreeing with you.

The second part of the posting was presumably to inform others that there postings are not up to scratch. I'm away in BKK at the moment so I haven't seen those offending posts. JUst a suggestion Pprune Pop, perhaps it might be better to be a bit clearer in your postings as euthenisms/anologies aren't always understood universally....particularly when trying to get across an important point. It also sounded quite aggressive and threatening which i'm sure you didn't intend. Just my point of view mind.

[wanna_be_there]

There's an article in flight global stating Sri lankan are going to serve MAN in 2011. Could be one to watch!

[wanna_be_there]

British Midland are going to operate Basel daily from 17th April, instead of the initial 5 weekly. This means the swiss RJ does not operate on saturdays either.

[Mr A Tis]

BMI

Good little move by BMI to "W" pattern with LHR on the Basle. Now if they would only do the same with one of their Vienna services from LHR.........

[wanna_be_there]

Now if they would only do the same with one of their Vienna services from LHR

I think there is scope for a VIE. Doesnt even have to be a LHR 'W' pattern either.
There is now a based A320 of BD at MAN doing FRA for LH, but one of the morning rotations is still conducted by LH, so surely BD could squeeze in a VIE there.

Lauda always did well ex-MAN, and BTS always did well from MAN for NE and V5 (V5 only suspended ops as they decided not to operate a jet fleet). Most pax to BTS went on to VIE with buses/taxis, so surely a daily VIE could work.

[LGW_08R]

SriLankan

The airline has been granted approval for upto 21 weekly flights between UK and Sri Lanka. As per the below article, they currently operate 13 weekly to Heathrow. They would like to add MAN as well as Gatwick in 2011. What do people think they would end up with by the end of the year then?

LHR 13 weekly
LGW 5 weekly + Onwards to Toronto
MAN 3 weekly

Or is that a bit of an overkill? Thoughts....

SriLankan Receieves More Rights to, and 5th Freedom to Canada, via UK - The Networker

[wanna_be_there]

It depends on how the bilateral actually works.

Would the CMB-LGW-YYZ-LGW-CMB be counted as 1 frequency, or will it be 2 frequencies based on CMB-LGW-YYZ (1) then YYZ-LGW-CMB (2)?

Id expect another frequency on LHR to make it 14 weekly, and thus double daily, then 4 for LGW (I think thats what the CEO wanted), then possibly 2 for MAN? Id expect 2 a week direct to CMB would be more than adiquate for MAN, given the smallest aircraft they could use would be the A332.

[LGW_08R]

I would agree that is the most likely which you specify above. It makes sense to but the extra 1 weekly into Heathrow, but the question is why have they not done this already then? Difficult slot time?

Re: the bilateral. It looks like the extra frequencies granted are simply between UK and Sri Lanka, and therefore LGW-YYZ could operate and not affect their allocation of frequencies per the bilateral.

Last point, does the 332 have sufficient legs to do Colombo - Manchester nonstop and if it is to be operated by A330s, where would they come from as they do not have any on order.

8R

[wanna_be_there]

It makes sense to but the extra 1 weekly into Heathrow, but the question is why have they not done this already then? Difficult slot time

Depends on what the old bilateral allowed? may have been for 13 weekly flights. Slots and eqv may be an issue however.

Last point, does the 332 have sufficient legs to do Colombo - Manchester nonstop

The A330-200 should manage MAN-CMB no problem at all.

if it is to be operated by A330s, where would they come from as they do not have any on order

They already have an A330. Just search for 'sri lankan A330 at manchester' into google, and Im sure lots of images will appear. It was at MAN for about a week before it went to UL. They may even have more.

[Ian Brooks]

Before we speculate about number of flights going to X or Y would it not be better to
find out where the Sri Lankan population in the UK live

BBC NEWS | UK | Born Abroad | Sri Lanka

It shows most live in London area with a smaller population spread from West Midlands northward incl Yorkshire so at an estimate I would doubt more than 2 flights a week would be needed from Manchester as I don`t think an A330 fullyloaded would
be able to fly from BHX or LBA but could do EMA

Ian B

[MUFC_fan]

Their A330 config. would laugh at MAN-CMB.

MON fly their cram packed A330s to Goa and Male without fret.

Obviously dependent on cargo (something that MAN seems to excel in), then an A340 may be in order.

Maybe CMB-MAN-YYZ?

[wanna_be_there]

Maybe CMB-MAN-YYZ

Unlikely, the CEO has already stated he wants CMB-LGW-YYZ.

A 2 weekly A332 is more than sufficient for MAN, and I for one will be watching closely to see if this one comes off.

Any airline brave enough to challenge the soon to be 6 daily flights to the middle east gets Kudos in my book.

[wanna_be_there]

Another news source reporting UL to MAN (and LGW):

News

But, in order to meet the growing passenger demand, the national carrier plans to add seven more flights to England alone by the end of the year on top of 14 that it now flies to Heathrow in London every week. The seven new flights are to Manchester and Gatwick, SriLankan sources said

Also stating the reason is mainly tourism orientated, and not so much local traffic.