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Circumstances are quite different.
In the SQ example, it was government policy not to allow them to fly to MAN (with backing of course from BA). During internal discussions the Government refused several times to change this. Hence the public naming and shaming.
In the current example, it is NOT (yet!) Government policy to use BHX as an overflow to London and the South East. It is just an idea some politicians have had which on the face of it seems a simple solution. Of course it isn't as simple as that as numerous posters have explained. Boris still supports what someone amusingly described as Boris Island Airport in the Thames estuary but that is not surprisingly running into a load of flack, so here is a simple solution to help him as he supports not expanding LHR. The BHX option may or may not appear in the consultation document - in fact I'm sure it will.
The consultation on UK Aviation policy will be held this year and during this process I'm sure MAG will put its case in discussions and written submissions. Now is not the time to be going public and I'm sure a public statement of MAG's position will be made in due course.
Even if the BHX solution becomes policy, I do not believe it will do much harm to MAN's position anyway - unless the White Paper says no more expansion at MAN
- that then will be the time to go ballistic in the press and elsewhere. But I can't believe that constraining MAN will be suggested as it is madness not to use spare capacity everywhere it can be used
What about BHX. Firstly, the High speed rail will not be completed until 2026 at the earliest. Before then with capacity constraints biting in the SE airlins will be looking for alternatives and MAN has to be one to be looked at.
Secondly the Government cannot force airlines to go to BHX -it would not only be illegal and open to challenge but would also leave the UK open to retailatory action as has been pointed out earlier.
If and when the high speed line gets to BHX, it will undoubtedly become a more attractive alternative for some pax from the south east. But the airlines are still only going to go where they see an opportunity and MAN still has a very good chance of continuing to pick up some extra business. In fact there is an argument that says more passengers from 'oop North routing over continental hubs or on direct flights releases valuable spare capacity at LHR to be used by those who need it.
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Circumstances are quite different.
In the SQ example, it was government policy not to allow them to fly to MAN (with backing of course from BA). During internal discussions the Government refused several times to change this. Hence the public naming and shaming.
In the current example, it is NOT (yet!) Government policy to use BHX as an overflow to London and the South East. It is just an idea some politicians have had which on the face of it seems a simple solution. Of course it isn't as simple as that as numerous posters have explained. Boris still supports what someone amusingly described as Boris Island Airport in the Thames estuary but that is not surprisingly running into a load of flack, so here is a simple solution to help him as he supports not expanding LHR. The BHX option may or may not appear in the consultation document - in fact I'm sure it will.
The consultation on UK Aviation policy will be held this year and during this process I'm sure MAG will put its case in discussions and written submissions. Now is not the time to be going public and I'm sure a public statement of MAG's position will be made in due course.
Even if the BHX solution becomes policy, I do not believe it will do much harm to MAN's position anyway - unless the White Paper says no more expansion at MAN
- that then will be the time to go ballistic in the press and elsewhere. But I can't believe that constraining MAN will be suggested as it is madness not to use spare capacity everywhere it can be usedWhat about BHX. Firstly, the High speed rail will not be completed until 2026 at the earliest. Before then with capacity constraints biting in the SE airlins will be looking for alternatives and MAN has to be one to be looked at.
Secondly the Government cannot force airlines to go to BHX -it would not only be illegal and open to challenge but would also leave the UK open to retailatory action as has been pointed out earlier.
If and when the high speed line gets to BHX, it will undoubtedly become a more attractive alternative for some pax from the south east. But the airlines are still only going to go where they see an opportunity and MAN still has a very good chance of continuing to pick up some extra business. In fact there is an argument that says more passengers from 'oop North routing over continental hubs or on direct flights releases valuable spare capacity at LHR to be used by those who need it.
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The press conference is at T2, assuming that FR are moving to T2, then?
Are stands 200 and 201 PWFU or just a handy parking space for equipment at the mo?
Comedy question : If the Scousers won't use MAN and the Weegies don't use PIK then explain to me how people living South of Watford, within the safety of the M25 are exepcted to venture "North" to somewhere called Birmingham.
All the good reasons on paper fall apart when the real world gets involved. London looks South to France and east into Europe, not North. I see this as a Scot ever day, it's not a criticism, just a cultural thing.
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4 new Ryanair routes to Madrid, Tenerife, Faro and Alicante. Dublin to go 6 daily.
Ryanair Announces 4 New Manchester Routes to Alicante, Faro,?
Ryanair Announces 4 New Manchester Routes to Alicante, Faro,?
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Not sure where the 4 daily flights to Dublin increasing to 6 comes from. MA's press release says 17 a week going to 21 a week as quoted in zfw's post earlier on this thread.
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but how long will Ryanair be at MAN for this time, will michael o`leary spit his dummy out again if the airport dont bow down to him, or is MAN the easy option for him cos it hasnt really worked out at Leeds Bradford......
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Great news regarding MAN-MAD, a route which has for too long been unserved.
I'm pretty sure Glaswegian's do use Glasgow Prestwick Airport, why on earth would they "boycott" there own airport? I think over 70% of the airports annual passengers are Glaswegian's.
Your not suggesting the Ryanair flights to Alicante, Faro, Tenerife etc are full of Spaniards, Portuguese and Canarians are you? If so, flights to Madrid and Lisbon must be on the cards.
Maybe suggesting Glaswegian's boycott Edinburgh Airport, or Brummies boycott EMA airport would have been a more accurate comment.
Comedy question : If the Scousers won't use MAN and the Weegies don't use PIK
Your not suggesting the Ryanair flights to Alicante, Faro, Tenerife etc are full of Spaniards, Portuguese and Canarians are you? If so, flights to Madrid and Lisbon must be on the cards.
Maybe suggesting Glaswegian's boycott Edinburgh Airport, or Brummies boycott EMA airport would have been a more accurate comment.
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Not sure where the 4 daily flights to Dublin increasing to 6 comes from
)Similarly as pwalhx has already pointed out the Mancs v Scouse thing is just a headline grabber for MOL to get things in the press and as usual has no substance to it. The press always head for his conferences as you never know what is going to happen. Remember his discussion in Germany when someone asked about transatlantic ops and he said he would have a business class where one of the services offered would be blow jobs! When the poor girl translator hesitated, he asked her if she knew the German word for blow job. It got massive healines throughout Germany. Seems like we have escaped quite lightly here!
but how long will Ryanair be at MAN for this time, will michael o`leary spit his dummy out again if the airport dont bow down to him, or is MAN the easy option for him cos it hasnt really worked out at Leeds Bradford......
MOL has ordered loads of new aircraft and has to do something with them. In addition he probably sees EZY and LS develop the business at MAN and wants a slice of the action.
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Ryanair - who needs who?
see the interview with M O'L
‘Go to the loo before boarding...’ | News | Manchester Confidential
It appears that Ryanair will pay an airport charge to get market-share but, if it's more than agreed, then they are off. Fair enough. But a bonkers comment that customers know nothing.
Does MAN need Ryanair or does Ryanair need MAN? My thoughts are with the latter.
Archie
‘Go to the loo before boarding...’ | News | Manchester Confidential
It appears that Ryanair will pay an airport charge to get market-share but, if it's more than agreed, then they are off. Fair enough. But a bonkers comment that customers know nothing.
Does MAN need Ryanair or does Ryanair need MAN? My thoughts are with the latter.
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Ryanair at MAN
I thought MO'L's language was noticeably concilliatory today as he talked of the need to concede on airport fees if his airline is to grow business at MAN. There was no attempt to suggest that MAG had come back bearing gifts. 'Mutually beneficial' probably captures it. Mr. O'Leary has talked recently of the need for a presence at mainstream airports and MAN has off-peak capacity available, particularly at T2. MAN is taking up an opportunity whilst maintaining its policy of doing business which offers a reasonable return, no give aways. I admit to having been an FR-sceptic but 'This could be the start of a beautiful friendship'.