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December traffic
December's traffic figures across the UK have to be treated with caution owing to the huge disruption caused by weather. Underlying trends may be masked by these distortions, at Heathrow for instance. In the case of Manchester - which got off fairly lightly - the figure of +2% probably underestimates the underlying growth. MAN gained a few extra flights from LHR in December but lost many of its own due to destination airports being closed or disrupted. Underlying growth at MAN is now stabilising and I wouldn't be surprised if we see +4 or even +5% for January.
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December passenger data
There was also a fair amount of disruption at Manchester in December 2009 due to snow, so I'm not sure what the true underlying growth is in these latest passenger figures. January should give a clearer picture, weather permitting.
Do diverted passengers get included in the CAA stats?
Do diverted passengers get included in the CAA stats?
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Good on the face of it, but caution needed also.
Think that the barometer re whether MAN and others have turned the corner will be with the March stats. No snow or ash cloud in 03/10 so the first month we can make a valid comparison with.
Promising rumbles re FR and others makes me think that better times are ahead.
Think that the barometer re whether MAN and others have turned the corner will be with the March stats. No snow or ash cloud in 03/10 so the first month we can make a valid comparison with.
Promising rumbles re FR and others makes me think that better times are ahead.
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FR?. Promising? Hmmm.....'promises' with FR tend to be of the broken variety. MAN would do well to avoid. Harps which appear on the tails of aeroplanes are not played by angels.
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FR - Maybe the time and the place
Ok, FR isn't everyone's cup of tea.
But what I hear arrivals will be late am / early pm from FR Euro bases when things are quiet.
Better some traffic at these times, even though the actual fees maybe be close to zip.
Better also pax in the terminals during quiet periods with the chance that they'll spend some dosh than no pax at all and no chance of any spend.
And unlike many other UK airports, MAN will never be beholden to the Lo-co's like FR, ABB and EZY. Its strength is its diversity of customers.
Also, the re-emergence of FR at MAN might make others such as ZB and LS sharpen their pencils a little of the Med routes.
But what I hear arrivals will be late am / early pm from FR Euro bases when things are quiet.
Better some traffic at these times, even though the actual fees maybe be close to zip.
Better also pax in the terminals during quiet periods with the chance that they'll spend some dosh than no pax at all and no chance of any spend.
And unlike many other UK airports, MAN will never be beholden to the Lo-co's like FR, ABB and EZY. Its strength is its diversity of customers.
Also, the re-emergence of FR at MAN might make others such as ZB and LS sharpen their pencils a little of the Med routes.
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Ryanaor will continue growing, the rumours of ordering up to 300 aircraft being a prime example.
I think people will have to get used to seeing FR more at the likes of LGW and MAN. I also feel that MOL knows already that there is only so much expansion one can make from smaller airports and they will have to cough up the higher fees.
FR can be good for MAN. As long as they abide by the rules and it's likely as the airline matures, in more than one sense of the word, it will.
I think people will have to get used to seeing FR more at the likes of LGW and MAN. I also feel that MOL knows already that there is only so much expansion one can make from smaller airports and they will have to cough up the higher fees.
FR can be good for MAN. As long as they abide by the rules and it's likely as the airline matures, in more than one sense of the word, it will.
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FR are dropping 4 of the routes they only started in November at the end of March and are reducing other ones.
FR are not happy at MAN. Part of the reduction is DUB flights was because of airport charges in DUB but airport charges in MAN played a part to. The reduced flights will continue until end of October 2011.
It would be stupid for MAN to let FR in as they would put pressure on easyjet, jet2 and bmibaby. MAN has enough low cost carriers.
FR are not happy at MAN. Part of the reduction is DUB flights was because of airport charges in DUB but airport charges in MAN played a part to. The reduced flights will continue until end of October 2011.
It would be stupid for MAN to let FR in as they would put pressure on easyjet, jet2 and bmibaby. MAN has enough low cost carriers.
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On what grounds would it be 'stupid?'
A very valid point is made above about them moving into quieter time slots which will be of benefit to the airport for reasons laid out.
The reason DUB stayed on the boards was because it was extremely lucrative for the airline. Short flight, high demand, higher than average fares as well good on board sales. The reason they have dropped on frequency, as well as at a number of other UK airports is to do with charges at airports and both governments. Ryanair aren't a charity. They find profitable routes and maximise them.
You could argue that they could increase their fares but remember their business model. They've got to remain cheap - their business model and reputation demands it.
FR would be healthy competition for MAN passengers. We live in a democracy with a western capitalist ideology - we're not Beijing.
A very valid point is made above about them moving into quieter time slots which will be of benefit to the airport for reasons laid out.
The reason DUB stayed on the boards was because it was extremely lucrative for the airline. Short flight, high demand, higher than average fares as well good on board sales. The reason they have dropped on frequency, as well as at a number of other UK airports is to do with charges at airports and both governments. Ryanair aren't a charity. They find profitable routes and maximise them.
You could argue that they could increase their fares but remember their business model. They've got to remain cheap - their business model and reputation demands it.
FR would be healthy competition for MAN passengers. We live in a democracy with a western capitalist ideology - we're not Beijing.
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I totally agree with Jamie, when Ryanair operate a route they do not want competition
they therefore lower the rates till the other airline pulls out and then the slightest hint
of the airport/Government putting charges up they are off leaving nobody on route
often never to operated again. Manchester/BHX etc only need airlines that are willing to play on a level playing field.
Ian B
they therefore lower the rates till the other airline pulls out and then the slightest hint
of the airport/Government putting charges up they are off leaving nobody on route
often never to operated again. Manchester/BHX etc only need airlines that are willing to play on a level playing field.
Ian B
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Lots of this FR chat is irrelevant. Airports are licenced and have to accept airlines unless they are capacity constrained. What deters FR is the fact that they cannot any longer pay peanuts and will be granted no exemption from published charges. If they are willing to pay the going rate they will be back should they wish.
CX summer 2011 schedules
all I have heard was for late October
BMI
According to a post by seljuk22 on the BMI thread.
BMI will replace Swiss on the MAN-BSL x 5 weekly with A319.
This is in addition to the reported replacement of LH on the MAN-FRA.
& the down sizing of the MAN-LHR route.
Seen no official BMI announcements on any of the above yet.
Wonder what's next? Wolfgang has been busy.
BMI will replace Swiss on the MAN-BSL x 5 weekly with A319.
This is in addition to the reported replacement of LH on the MAN-FRA.
& the down sizing of the MAN-LHR route.
Seen no official BMI announcements on any of the above yet.
Wonder what's next? Wolfgang has been busy.
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"also on bmi thread that london/manchester to basel has now been officially confirmed??????????????????? "
Edited for stupidity:
You mean MAN-BSL as an A319?
Yes. I though not originally.
But from Summer Season 2011 it becomes a Mon-Fri BMI aircraft LX4430 and Saturday a Swiss Jumbolino LX378.
More infos here
20.01.2011
"SWISS to substantially expand services from Basel together with bmi"
Edited for stupidity:
You mean MAN-BSL as an A319?
Yes. I though not originally.
But from Summer Season 2011 it becomes a Mon-Fri BMI aircraft LX4430 and Saturday a Swiss Jumbolino LX378.
More infos here
20.01.2011
"SWISS to substantially expand services from Basel together with bmi"