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So still only 1 airbridge installed but on the ground at stand 12. With under 2 weeks to go when is this going to be finished?
Also, was wonderning, can A380 use 23L/05R? I know the times it's in 23R/05L is in use only, but incase it needed to can it use R2?
Also, was wonderning, can A380 use 23L/05R? I know the times it's in 23R/05L is in use only, but incase it needed to can it use R2?
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So it seems that everything is 'in hand' with regard to the A380's
arrival.....the doom mongers can now await the 'absolute chaos'
predicted for the daily arrival of the behemoth!
Bring it on.....MM
arrival.....the doom mongers can now await the 'absolute chaos'
predicted for the daily arrival of the behemoth!
Bring it on.....MM
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Spent the weekend being a geek at Manchester and noticed that the 23R ILS appears to be out of order with aircraft doing VOR DME approaches, any particular reason?
On another note, NATS have put new MAN charts online including one showing areas cleared for A380 ground movements
http://www.ead.eurocontrol.int/eadba...2010-07-29.pdf
On another note, NATS have put new MAN charts online including one showing areas cleared for A380 ground movements
http://www.ead.eurocontrol.int/eadba...2010-07-29.pdf
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is the end of 23L classed as a turning circle, or just a taxiway that happens to go back on itself. from what i see, a turning circles mid 23L is B767 MAX & Juliet turning circle on 23R is B747 max.
However, as usual, i stand to be corrected.
However, as usual, i stand to be corrected.
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is the end of 23L classed as a turning circle, or just a taxiway that happens to go back on itself
The charts seem to class it as the latter, I think its just commonly known as a turning circle due to its primary use (to enable a backtrack along the runway)
So it seems that everything is 'in hand' with regard to the A380's
arrival.....the doom mongers can now await the 'absolute chaos'
predicted for the daily arrival of the behemoth!
Yep it seems MAN is going to prove the nay-sayers wrong (I for one was a sort of nay sayer, as it seemed to take an age for those jetbridges to arrive). I believe Emirates set down a deadline for stand 12, and formed a 'no A380 until stand 12 is ready' ultimatum (which is understandable for the F/J class pax).
Anyway, now the stand is ready, I suppose its time for the doom-mongers to start on something else, like the 'baggage belts will fail with the pressure' or 'immigration/customs cant cope' kind of stories.
I for one am going to be quite proud that my local, regional airport is going to host the A380 on regular flights. Also, there have been many arguements that F class wont work at MAN, well, we now have 2 carriers offering F, with EY looking at joining the club.
Everone else at MAN should be proud too. I mean, for a regional airport with a medium sized city, we have a quite enviable offering of services:
-A daily A380 service, which even an airport the size of AMS/MIA/ORD/MUC etc hasnt even got yet
-CX to start using the B747-8 next year, making MAN the only UK airport to see the A380 AND the B747-8 on regular services (yes LHR has A380's, but not B747-8, likewise STN will see the B747-8 but not the A380)
-We are one of a few European airports that can support the 3 big middle east carriers (EY/QR/EK), whereas others can only cope with 1 or 2
-up to 5 New york services a day (CO/DL/AA/PK), whereas most other UK airports and even Euro airports can only manage 2-3
-Some good legacy carriers like AA/SQ/US and so on, with a good mix of loco and charter traffic to boot
-the first UK based B787 will be at MAN with TOM
So come on, yes, MAN has had better days (with QF/CX/SAA and so on), but for the size of city MAN is compared to AMS/MAD/LON etc, we have a lot to be proud of!
The charts seem to class it as the latter, I think its just commonly known as a turning circle due to its primary use (to enable a backtrack along the runway)
So it seems that everything is 'in hand' with regard to the A380's
arrival.....the doom mongers can now await the 'absolute chaos'
predicted for the daily arrival of the behemoth!
Yep it seems MAN is going to prove the nay-sayers wrong (I for one was a sort of nay sayer, as it seemed to take an age for those jetbridges to arrive). I believe Emirates set down a deadline for stand 12, and formed a 'no A380 until stand 12 is ready' ultimatum (which is understandable for the F/J class pax).
Anyway, now the stand is ready, I suppose its time for the doom-mongers to start on something else, like the 'baggage belts will fail with the pressure' or 'immigration/customs cant cope' kind of stories.
I for one am going to be quite proud that my local, regional airport is going to host the A380 on regular flights. Also, there have been many arguements that F class wont work at MAN, well, we now have 2 carriers offering F, with EY looking at joining the club.
Everone else at MAN should be proud too. I mean, for a regional airport with a medium sized city, we have a quite enviable offering of services:
-A daily A380 service, which even an airport the size of AMS/MIA/ORD/MUC etc hasnt even got yet
-CX to start using the B747-8 next year, making MAN the only UK airport to see the A380 AND the B747-8 on regular services (yes LHR has A380's, but not B747-8, likewise STN will see the B747-8 but not the A380)
-We are one of a few European airports that can support the 3 big middle east carriers (EY/QR/EK), whereas others can only cope with 1 or 2
-up to 5 New york services a day (CO/DL/AA/PK), whereas most other UK airports and even Euro airports can only manage 2-3
-Some good legacy carriers like AA/SQ/US and so on, with a good mix of loco and charter traffic to boot
-the first UK based B787 will be at MAN with TOM
So come on, yes, MAN has had better days (with QF/CX/SAA and so on), but for the size of city MAN is compared to AMS/MAD/LON etc, we have a lot to be proud of!
I was told that "runway 2" would be used for the A380. Not sure if this is correct. Also, a trip into MAN on Friday showed that the interior of B Pier still needs lots of work, if it is to be all new and shiny in 10 days' time - even if the airbridges are already on.
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Ils / A380
23R ILS is fine and CAT 3. It has been off-line to facilitate the 300 hour burn-in of the 05L end, to meet its CAT 3 certification.
A380 can use either runway, CAA approval covers both. 05R is better for easterly arrivals, and 23L for westerly departures because it avoids the procedural constraints applying to Taxiway Juliet, and so you'll see the A380 using the southern runway even during the usual mid-day downtime.
A380 can use either runway, CAA approval covers both. 05R is better for easterly arrivals, and 23L for westerly departures because it avoids the procedural constraints applying to Taxiway Juliet, and so you'll see the A380 using the southern runway even during the usual mid-day downtime.
is the end of 23L classed as a turning circle, or just a taxiway that happens to go back on itself
The charts seem to class it as the latter, I think its just commonly known as a turning circle due to its primary use (to enable a backtrack along the runway)
The charts seem to class it as the latter, I think its just commonly known as a turning circle due to its primary use (to enable a backtrack along the runway)
Although it's often referred to as the "Whiskey-Yankee loop" .... try saying that on the R/T quickly .....
It's not normally called a turning circle ... that's used for the "midpoint turning circle" ..... this clarifies it from the second turning circle which used to be at the exit onto Twy Whiskey.
The loop is also used to hold landing a/c before backtracking while the following a/c land ....
this confuses many as out of three landing a/c it'll often be the third one which arrives northside first ... the first two get held in the loop ... the last one uses the mid-point to turn.
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....for a regional airport with a medium sized city, we have a quite enviable offering of services:
Don't wish to be critical but its typical of the "Northern mentality" that we are happy with our lot ..!
Manchester is a major European city, the constant reference to regional is so dispiriting especially when "the locals" believe it themselves..... the stereotype is then re emphasised by the M.E.N, look North West, Radio Manchester etc.
Compared to the other airports mentioned, Manchester does indeed punch above its weight, BUT the comparison is floored.....the figure we should be looking at is GDP and that by and large is serviced by Heathrow instead of direct service to the North -West. The GDP of Manchester is one of the largest in Europe and for a variety of reasons, the services Manchester attracts, meets only a fraction of that demand !
Don't wish to be critical but its typical of the "Northern mentality" that we are happy with our lot ..!
Manchester is a major European city, the constant reference to regional is so dispiriting especially when "the locals" believe it themselves..... the stereotype is then re emphasised by the M.E.N, look North West, Radio Manchester etc.
Compared to the other airports mentioned, Manchester does indeed punch above its weight, BUT the comparison is floored.....the figure we should be looking at is GDP and that by and large is serviced by Heathrow instead of direct service to the North -West. The GDP of Manchester is one of the largest in Europe and for a variety of reasons, the services Manchester attracts, meets only a fraction of that demand !
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MAN Regional??
Hi Bagso,
I'm a northerner and I now see MAN as a regional airport, there was a time I thought different.
Manchester is not the capital city, shame (ish). Or the major hub airport in the country. It is a regional airport.
It is always great to see new services, bigger aircraft etc, but we have to be realistic and thats another thing we are good at.
E.F.
I'm a northerner and I now see MAN as a regional airport, there was a time I thought different.
Manchester is not the capital city, shame (ish). Or the major hub airport in the country. It is a regional airport.
It is always great to see new services, bigger aircraft etc, but we have to be realistic and thats another thing we are good at.
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So come on, yes, MAN has had better days (with QF/CX/SAA and so on), but for the size of city MAN is compared to AMS/MAD/LON etc, we have a lot to be proud of!
Compare a multi stop service with QANTAS or Cathay to a one stop service with EK, QR or EY. These are MAN's best days, it amazes me that people just don't see it. Just because the legacy flag carriers have retreated into alliances doesn't mean the competitions is second rate, they're often better!
Correct me if I'm wrong but Eithad are using high Y low C B77Ws at the moment, the sort they used to use at Gatwick. F class was introduced on the back of the Singapore stop at Munich and I don't think it adds a whole lot really as if you can afford to fly First it's silly to fly MAN-MUC-SIN-destination when you can lose at least one stop via LHR / AMS / FRA etc.
Though parking an A380 at the end of a pier built for the BEA One-Eleven fleet where arrivals and departures are on the same level and at busy times has a pile of Thomas Cook and Jet2 punters, well nothing's going to go wrong there. If only you had a purpose built large capacity building that was designed for wide bodies...one that sits empty for much of the day. If only, if only..... Actually having seen the two airbridges in position, can someone confirm that one of them is upper deck capable and that they're not both going to be used on the lower deck?
Anyway my weekend trip LHR-MAN threw up two queries for me.
1) Why does the Tower controller have to ask what SID all departing aircraft has been given by Clearance Delivery who presumably sits nearby? Surely this is on the screen in front of him or does MAN just have adouble check for sleepy pilots?
2) When did the taxiway layout at MAN become so complicated. I usually note my route in and out ( Yes I am unusual, we've established that) and I actually got lost even with the AIS chart on my lap. It made CDG look straightforward!
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Skipness,
The tower controller only asks aircraft heading South-East towards Honiley to confirm the SID allocation.
There are two SIDs which finish at HON when 23L/R is in operation, the HON1R/Y and the LISTO1R/Y.
LISTO SIDs are for aircraft with a MTOW of 35 tonnes or less plus 146s, ERJs, CRJs and some other small jet types. The LISTO SID consists of a left turn towards LISTO and does not feature the noise abatement turn to the West of Knutsford which is a feature of the HON1R/Y SIDs used by larger aircraft.
Because both SIDs lead to HON, I believe there is some history of larger jet aircraft incorrectly flying the LISTO SID instead of the HON SID, which is why Tower now seek confirmation of which procedure you have been cleared to fly.
I agree that the taxiway layout can be confusing, particularly at the base of Pier B where taxiways B,K,J and F all intersect - there is also a disparity between the airfield signage and the Jeppesen charts in this area which can cause further confusion.
The tower controller only asks aircraft heading South-East towards Honiley to confirm the SID allocation.
There are two SIDs which finish at HON when 23L/R is in operation, the HON1R/Y and the LISTO1R/Y.
LISTO SIDs are for aircraft with a MTOW of 35 tonnes or less plus 146s, ERJs, CRJs and some other small jet types. The LISTO SID consists of a left turn towards LISTO and does not feature the noise abatement turn to the West of Knutsford which is a feature of the HON1R/Y SIDs used by larger aircraft.
Because both SIDs lead to HON, I believe there is some history of larger jet aircraft incorrectly flying the LISTO SID instead of the HON SID, which is why Tower now seek confirmation of which procedure you have been cleared to fly.
I agree that the taxiway layout can be confusing, particularly at the base of Pier B where taxiways B,K,J and F all intersect - there is also a disparity between the airfield signage and the Jeppesen charts in this area which can cause further confusion.
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The request to repeat the clearance is to confirm that pilots have got it right as a number set off using the wrong routeing and cause a possible conflict mainly on southern routes, I sure some of you guys at the front end can explain better than I have
I don`t class MAN as a regional airport as it has a considerable long haul presence
and the way things are looking are going to expand again
Once one airline offers F class on long haul they will all follow suit as they cannot afford to loose those clients to another airline, afterall 3 or 4 F class make a very large differnce to whether a route is profit or loss making route
Ian B
I don`t class MAN as a regional airport as it has a considerable long haul presence
and the way things are looking are going to expand again
Once one airline offers F class on long haul they will all follow suit as they cannot afford to loose those clients to another airline, afterall 3 or 4 F class make a very large differnce to whether a route is profit or loss making route
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Why do you say this?
Compare a multi stop service with QANTAS or Cathay
I was mearly commenting on the days we had these carriers serving MAN, not on the number of stops involved.
it's silly to fly MAN-MUC-SIN-destination when you can lose at least one stop via LHR / AMS / FRA
yes people can transit one stop, but LHR, I know many people who refuse to fly through LHR now. No point asking why as they are the fare paying passenger and its their preference. Also, some people may want F for the entire journey, and LHR for example, only offers Y on its domestics.
If only you had a purpose built large capacity building that was designed for wide bodies...one that sits empty for much of the day
If you are referring to T2, then pier B was chosen due to the fact the A380 can turn off the runway and taxi into stand quickly and easily without circumnavigating the entire airport.
Actually having seen the two airbridges in position, can someone confirm that one of them is upper deck capable and that they're not both going to be used on the lower deck?
Yes one is upper deck and one is lower deck. The jetbridges are not fully installed yet and need the electircs fitted, which is why it gives the impression that they are both lower deck.
Don't wish to be critical but its typical of the "Northern mentality" that we are happy with our lot ..!
MAN IS a regional airport. It is not the capital so is a regional. We may be a major city, but small compared to some. Also, considering LHR is quickly reached by plane and train, its amazing to sercure the services we have. I know JFK has seen the EK A388 before, but to think we secured the EK A380 before JFK got it back, and before HKG and some of the other large airports, Im sorry but thats a major coup!
So lets stop this moaning and enjoy the posatives of our airport!!!!
Compare a multi stop service with QANTAS or Cathay
I was mearly commenting on the days we had these carriers serving MAN, not on the number of stops involved.
it's silly to fly MAN-MUC-SIN-destination when you can lose at least one stop via LHR / AMS / FRA
yes people can transit one stop, but LHR, I know many people who refuse to fly through LHR now. No point asking why as they are the fare paying passenger and its their preference. Also, some people may want F for the entire journey, and LHR for example, only offers Y on its domestics.
If only you had a purpose built large capacity building that was designed for wide bodies...one that sits empty for much of the day
If you are referring to T2, then pier B was chosen due to the fact the A380 can turn off the runway and taxi into stand quickly and easily without circumnavigating the entire airport.
Actually having seen the two airbridges in position, can someone confirm that one of them is upper deck capable and that they're not both going to be used on the lower deck?
Yes one is upper deck and one is lower deck. The jetbridges are not fully installed yet and need the electircs fitted, which is why it gives the impression that they are both lower deck.
Don't wish to be critical but its typical of the "Northern mentality" that we are happy with our lot ..!
MAN IS a regional airport. It is not the capital so is a regional. We may be a major city, but small compared to some. Also, considering LHR is quickly reached by plane and train, its amazing to sercure the services we have. I know JFK has seen the EK A388 before, but to think we secured the EK A380 before JFK got it back, and before HKG and some of the other large airports, Im sorry but thats a major coup!
So lets stop this moaning and enjoy the posatives of our airport!!!!
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Once one airline offers F class on long haul they will all follow suit as they cannot afford to loose those clients to another airline, afterall 3 or 4 F class make a very large differnce to whether a route is profit or loss making route
Impressed that they're turning a B777-300ER in 1 hour 20 mins though. Apologies if this has been posted but do passengers need to get off at Munich both ways?
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No this is going the wrong way as the number of people doing this is quite tiny in proportion
Well, with only 8 F seats, of course the numbers are going to be tiny. Even if just 4 people get on in MAN, then thats a 50/50 split between MAN-MUC.
Impressed that they're turning a B777-300ER in 1 hour 20 mins though. Apologies if this has been posted but do passengers need to get off at Munich both ways?
Yes pax do have to get off at MUC. In terms of the turn around, another feat MAN will have is turning an A380 round with only an extra 5 mins to spare over the current B773
Well, with only 8 F seats, of course the numbers are going to be tiny. Even if just 4 people get on in MAN, then thats a 50/50 split between MAN-MUC.
Impressed that they're turning a B777-300ER in 1 hour 20 mins though. Apologies if this has been posted but do passengers need to get off at Munich both ways?
Yes pax do have to get off at MUC. In terms of the turn around, another feat MAN will have is turning an A380 round with only an extra 5 mins to spare over the current B773
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Management Changes
I see it has been announced that MAN has appointed its next MD, giving the job to Commercial Director Andrew Harrison, and creating a new role of COO with Penny Coates (whol I believe is currently MD for the smaller airports in the MAG portfolio).
If this is the case, whats the thoughts? Good appointments? Internal (but with external CEO starting) so maybe they provide good continuity?
If this is the case, whats the thoughts? Good appointments? Internal (but with external CEO starting) so maybe they provide good continuity?
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MAG Management Changes
See below for the MEN story a couple of weeks ago.
Seems to be a good idea with a new man at the top but experienced internal people on the next tier down.
Penny set to take MAG to new highs - Manchester Evening News
Seems to be a good idea with a new man at the top but experienced internal people on the next tier down.
Penny set to take MAG to new highs - Manchester Evening News