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Apart from the obvious FRA, AMS, CDG and BRU are there any European cities one can fly to from MAN early in the morning and return late at night, for a good day trip? I would like to do DUB, but the flights seem to return too early to get an early evening meal in.
Munich on Lufthansa (out 0700 back 2125), have to pick the right dates to get a good fare though.
Geneva on easyJet (out 0640 back 2135), have to pick the right dates once again.
That's three from the top of my head that are affordable (under £100), and I'm sure there's plenty more.
During the summer the likes of AGP/ALC/PMI/IBZ/MAH and even the Canaries are all do-able for a day trip on the various charter and low cost airlines.
Look around, there's plenty of stuff Even more if you're willing to do 'connection' flights on FR (ie MAN-RYG-CRL-MAN)
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In the original planning, there was a plan to have a parallel taxiway for the second runway. However it was dropped because
1) The way the runways are normally used because of the spacing between them - landing on 05R or departing on 23L doesn't require one. A parallel taxiway is only required when landing 23L and departing 05R which doesn't happen often (although all this summer whilst R1 is fixed but at night-time only when traffic is generally lighter)
2) A parallel taxiway would require much extra land take, a much longer tunnel over the river and A538 and the cost could not be justified with so little regular use and no capacity gain in normal operations.
3) Bearing in mind the above and the planning climate, it was decided not to proceed with it.
Who knows whether it will ever be resurrected - I guess not in the foreseeable future anyway
1) The way the runways are normally used because of the spacing between them - landing on 05R or departing on 23L doesn't require one. A parallel taxiway is only required when landing 23L and departing 05R which doesn't happen often (although all this summer whilst R1 is fixed but at night-time only when traffic is generally lighter)
2) A parallel taxiway would require much extra land take, a much longer tunnel over the river and A538 and the cost could not be justified with so little regular use and no capacity gain in normal operations.
3) Bearing in mind the above and the planning climate, it was decided not to proceed with it.
Who knows whether it will ever be resurrected - I guess not in the foreseeable future anyway
Sadly the bean counters took control of the planning. Before the move north, chatting to a number of my colleagues up in the tower, many commented that it would make their work easier if there were a taxiway to the far western end of 23L.
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R2 parallel taxiway
We've been over this a few times before, and 750XLs quote is from one of my posts on this topic. I'm a great advocate of infrastructure investment, but the decision not to build the R2 parallel taxiway was the right one. The cost of it was/is massive (£60M at last estimate) for something that will only be used infrequently (2011 is an exception). Just as with Amsterdam's Polderbaan (18R/36L) the normal dual-runway operating mode does not require a taxiway. MAN could do far better investing that money on developing the northside taxiways to ensure capacity and resilience day to day.
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Amsterdam is a different example because there are 5 other runways besides 18R/36L, so should one become closed for whatever reason, there are still plenty of other options available. I envision it being a major incident to leave 36L as the only landing runway or 18R as the only runway for departures. Which if were the case, would most certainly result in the closure of Schiphol to movements anyways.
Yes, the cost is most likely prohibitive to extend the taxiway at EGCC now, and I agree that money is better spent elsewhere at the airport. But I still believe it would have made sense to have constructed it at the same time as the construction of runway 2, especially considering how much it would have been utilised in the past couple of years.
Yes, the cost is most likely prohibitive to extend the taxiway at EGCC now, and I agree that money is better spent elsewhere at the airport. But I still believe it would have made sense to have constructed it at the same time as the construction of runway 2, especially considering how much it would have been utilised in the past couple of years.
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Apart from the obvious FRA, AMS, CDG and BRU are there any European cities one can fly to from MAN early in the morning and return late at night, for a good day trip? I would like to do DUB, but the flights seem to return too early to get an early evening meal in.
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Norwich
How about Man-Norwich-Man
O/B 0800 ish in the morning Back 2030 ish in the evening
Go downtown to the broads Hire a Day Boat cruise the Broads stop at a few Pubs and come back
Very sociable
O/B 0800 ish in the morning Back 2030 ish in the evening
Go downtown to the broads Hire a Day Boat cruise the Broads stop at a few Pubs and come back
Very sociable
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Singapore Airlines today announced there summer 2012 planned schedule changes.
Singapore – Munich – Manchester Reduces from Daily to 6 weekly, GDS not updated to reflect these changes yet.
Singapore – Munich – Manchester Reduces from Daily to 6 weekly, GDS not updated to reflect these changes yet.
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The SIN MAN-MUC is a stupid move IMO. I would usually have frequented Singapore Airlines for my flights to Aus a couple of times a year. Have switched to Qatar now - much prefer the service and better than a MUC stop. But I do hate Qatar's A330's out of MAN!
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Skipness said about day trips
And here's us thinking that you had a broad rather than London-centric outlook
jackie
And how would a parallel taxiway increase capacity in current normal operations? Not one bit. And in the future? Only when the closely spaced parallel runways operational rules change, which I very much doubt will happen in the foreseeable future. So you would have invested in a taxiway which would have been used only infrequently for the last 10 years and probably will be so for at least the next 10 years with all the depreciation and maintenance costs.....
Of course it would make the TWR controllers job easier especially in the last year but do you think the business case would ever stack up for these infrequent operations? And who would pay? Answer - the airlines through charges.
Please remember that during the time the Airport was subject to stringent economic regulation by the CAA; every investment was pored over in great detail by them and the airlines and the airport was subject to a cap on its charges. Whilst the airline community were very pro the development overall, I don't remember the airlines being at all enthusiastic over this part of the plan - and even less enthusiastic about the idea of having a 3600m runway....
NATS of course were neither for or against R2 at the Public Inquiry but merely there to assist the Inspector with technical issues........
In addition, the issue of planning permission was by no means a given with considerable local opposition and having a taxiway built that wasn't going to be used very often was just giving them more ammunition.
So whilst the layout and spacing was not ideal, at least permission was granted and has allowed the airport to increase it's capacity especially in the morning and evening peaks when it needed it most. How many other new runway projects have actually been completed in the UK in the last 30 years??
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London. That is all.
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I agree in that it might not have seemed cost effective at the time of construction of the 2nd runway to build the parallel taxiway the entire length. But it would have been a great deal cheaper to have built it then at the initial construction phase rather than add it on now or in the future.
Sadly the bean counters took control of the planning. Before the move north, chatting to a number of my colleagues up in the tower, many commented that it would make their work easier if there were a taxiway to the far western end of 23L.
Sadly the bean counters took control of the planning. Before the move north, chatting to a number of my colleagues up in the tower, many commented that it would make their work easier if there were a taxiway to the far western end of 23L.
Of course it would make the TWR controllers job easier especially in the last year but do you think the business case would ever stack up for these infrequent operations? And who would pay? Answer - the airlines through charges.
Please remember that during the time the Airport was subject to stringent economic regulation by the CAA; every investment was pored over in great detail by them and the airlines and the airport was subject to a cap on its charges. Whilst the airline community were very pro the development overall, I don't remember the airlines being at all enthusiastic over this part of the plan - and even less enthusiastic about the idea of having a 3600m runway....
NATS of course were neither for or against R2 at the Public Inquiry but merely there to assist the Inspector with technical issues........
In addition, the issue of planning permission was by no means a given with considerable local opposition and having a taxiway built that wasn't going to be used very often was just giving them more ammunition.
So whilst the layout and spacing was not ideal, at least permission was granted and has allowed the airport to increase it's capacity especially in the morning and evening peaks when it needed it most. How many other new runway projects have actually been completed in the UK in the last 30 years??
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They are 'okay' those 330's but Economy really is packed for leg room compared to the 777 I find myself on the Doha-MEL/SYD routes. There is a very distinct difference. Flew out of MAN on a 777 and to MEL on a 777 and then MEL- Doha on a 777. However the Doha to MAN leg on a 330 is torture if you're in economy.
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Ey up then - wot's this?
Hiya kid!: Manchester Airport call centre staff trained to sound Mancunian | Manchester Evening News - menmedia.co.uk
Cheers
Suzeman
Hiya kid!: Manchester Airport call centre staff trained to sound Mancunian | Manchester Evening News - menmedia.co.uk
Cheers
Suzeman