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Old 16th Dec 2011, 08:39
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Chaos rules Im afraid. Well and truly caught with pants down.
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Old 16th Dec 2011, 08:43
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Chaos rules Im afraid. Well and truly caught with pants down.

Absolute tosh !!!, the volume of the wet snow that came down in such a short time would have closed any airfield, but i forgot, we should have used the 30 + snow ploughs we have in back up incase it snows once a year.

Face it, when we have the infrastructure that we have this is going to happen and its no-ones fault. Also take a look at the TAF's...this was not forecast.
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Old 16th Dec 2011, 08:44
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Quoting Mickyman earlier - "Manchester - the Heathrow of the North"!
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Old 16th Dec 2011, 08:50
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Old 16th Dec 2011, 09:03
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Quoting Mickyman earlier - "Manchester - the Heathrow of the North"!

I take it he means because we will both have KLM services next summer ???
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Old 16th Dec 2011, 10:28
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How many KLM flights to Amsterdam are done KLM mainline for summer months.
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Old 16th Dec 2011, 10:29
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Quoting Mickyman -
"Manchester - the Heathrow of the North"!
Quoting ManofMan -
I take it he means because we will both have KLM services next summer ???
No that cant be right, I think you'll find that he was meant to say was, Like Heathrow, Manchester also comes to a girding halt and closes down with the first sight of a bit snow.
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Old 16th Dec 2011, 10:59
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Actually it was forecast - I had a look at the TAFs last night and this snow was forecast then. I agree though that with the amount of snow we get in Manchester, it's unrealistic to expect us to have Scandinavian levels of runway clearing equipment.
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Old 16th Dec 2011, 11:58
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I agree though that with the amount of snow we get in Manchester, it's unrealistic to expect us to have Scandinavian levels of runway clearing equipment.
I also agree but surely there should be enough equipment (at all UK airports not just MAN) in place to deal with the modest (although unpredictable) amounts of snow that we get EVERY year!! It's not like snow is a once in a decade occurrence in this country, then I could understand getting caught with the proverbial pants down....
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Old 16th Dec 2011, 12:17
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Calling Clarkson...

Can we borrow your Snowbine please...
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Old 16th Dec 2011, 12:23
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MAN has a fairly substantial amount of snow clearing equipment (compared to other UK airports at least) and over the past two weeks I've seen them testing it regularly im preparation for the snow. I believe stand 22 is still closed to house all the equipment so I can't see why we failed so badly this morning? Possible lack of staff due to the unexpected snow?
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Old 16th Dec 2011, 12:50
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Actually it was forecast - I had a look at the TAFs last night and this snow was forecast then. I agree though that with the amount of snow we get in Manchester, it's unrealistic to expect us to have Scandinavian levels of runway clearing equipment.

I would happily stand corrected but i dont recall and TAFs last night showing SN, I saw RASN but not SN.

Like i said happy to be proved wrong.
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Old 16th Dec 2011, 13:31
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Apart from the SNOCLO, only heard of one mishap. EI206 (EIN20D) had to go-around due to a slow moving vehicle taking much longer then expected to cross D1 to DZ1. As much as the driver of the vehicle was trying to apologise for this, the ATC wasn't too happy and the Shamrock pilot wasn't bothered at all!
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Old 16th Dec 2011, 13:35
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Roverman, do you realise how patronising some of your posts come across as? I for one appreciate the contribution that MAN makes to the northern economy, but I do not see that concentrating access to the region via one point helps other areas. The 'ripple' effect does not work in economic terms.

There may well only be room for one northern hub airport, and logic says that should be Manchester, but there are different markets at play here, and as demonstrated at Liverpool, Leeds and to some extent Blackpool, there is significant demand for point to point traffic from those airports. At present the economic climate makes that tough to sustain, but airports are generally a long term investment.

Given that despite the huge drop in Manchester pax numbers in recent years and the fact profits have remained steady, suggests that either other parts of the Group, especially EMA, are making notable contributions to the financial performance, or that income from pax is actually not that great and that the large majority of income comes from ancilliary activities and property - something MAG is well ahead of its competitors on.

Given future traffic forecasts, even the lower estimates now produced by the DfT, there is room for growth and a profitable future at More than just MAN.
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Old 16th Dec 2011, 14:58
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Quite simply a number of flights were delayed, diverted and cancelled this morning which should not have been had an appropriate level of advance planning and in particular a timely response taken place. Be it SN or RASN (splitting degrees?) the warning signs were all there for anyone, even with minimum experience, to see. I only hope that lessons have been learned for the remainder of "our winter" and that the response is more appropriate next time. Last year you did well. Your first efforts this year left a lot to be desired and unfortunately have been costly to all of us . No excuses. You can and should do better MAN.
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Old 16th Dec 2011, 15:05
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I've been told they were understaffed this morning when the SNOCLO came about, simply didn't have enough people to drive the ploughs.

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Old 16th Dec 2011, 15:14
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Thanks Jack. No more words required then. Hopefully lessons learned for all concerned.
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Old 16th Dec 2011, 16:07
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Fair point Mickyman..The only mistake they made with the 2nd runway was that it was built too close to the 1st so cannot do mixed mode.

The UK government said last week that they have downgraded passenger forecasts for air travel down from 445 million to 330 million due to the recession,and no new runways will be needed before 2050 ?

So looks like Birminghams runway extension starting next year may be the largest project for a while on that front then.

With APD rises I think the smaller airports will fade.. Durham I think has just been put up for sale, and LPL will probably have to settle for just low cost.

It will be MAN,BHX,LGW that will be the growth airports, purely because they are closest to large conurbations.

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Old 16th Dec 2011, 19:59
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The only mistake they made with the 2nd runway was that it was built too close to the 1st so cannot do mixed mode.
Perhaps Nigel, you would like to suggest where the alignment of any second runway SHOULD have gone then, given the topography and buildings around the airport, the cost and the likelihood of it getting planning permission?

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Old 16th Dec 2011, 20:26
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I see MAN was a complete laughing stock yet again today, ten minutes of sleet and they closed for two hours ....pathetic response, get a grip FFS
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