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RoyHudd -
Once again you seize the opportunity to twist a potentially useful contribution to the thread into a thinly-disguised attack on aircraft enthusiasts. Many of the finest people in our industry started out as enthusiasts (and some of them remain so throughout their careers). Aviation is very fortunate to enjoy a pool of talent to recruit from which is passionate about the industry. This is something we should all encourage. Why not just make your point about go-arounds in a pleasant and constructive manner and cut out the snidey stuff. You are in danger of coming across as one of those unsavoury "hey look at me - I'm a pilot!" types ... not good. Fortunately, most aircrew I know are above such pitiful behaviour. But there remain afew dinosaurs!
And by the way, there are also aviation enthusiasts who hold highly responsible jobs in other fields of expertise. You might not be familiar with the technical terms used in their professional lives either. But it doesn't mean you are stupid or silly. Please think carefully before making further derogatory remarks about other PPRuNe contributors.
SHED.
Once again you seize the opportunity to twist a potentially useful contribution to the thread into a thinly-disguised attack on aircraft enthusiasts. Many of the finest people in our industry started out as enthusiasts (and some of them remain so throughout their careers). Aviation is very fortunate to enjoy a pool of talent to recruit from which is passionate about the industry. This is something we should all encourage. Why not just make your point about go-arounds in a pleasant and constructive manner and cut out the snidey stuff. You are in danger of coming across as one of those unsavoury "hey look at me - I'm a pilot!" types ... not good. Fortunately, most aircrew I know are above such pitiful behaviour. But there remain afew dinosaurs!
And by the way, there are also aviation enthusiasts who hold highly responsible jobs in other fields of expertise. You might not be familiar with the technical terms used in their professional lives either. But it doesn't mean you are stupid or silly. Please think carefully before making further derogatory remarks about other PPRuNe contributors.
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Spot on SHED, I know a senior Exec at a UK carrier who enjoys looking out of his office window onto the runway whenever an aircraft departs or lands, especially when they are his! It's nothing to be ashamed of and some of the finest people in this industry are enthusiastic about aircraft, long may it continue!
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Thomson B787 Inaugural Service?
According to an article posted on routesonline today, Thomson Airways proposes to operate its inaugural revenue B787 service from Manchester on 01 February 2012. The destination listed for this first service is Fuerteventura. Regular winter destinations ex-MAN are listed as TFS, ALC and LPA. The B787 is also programmed to serve destinations ex-LGW and DSA (once weekly to ALC).
Can anybody confirm the degree of confidence TOM has that the February launch plan will proceed as stated in this article? I may just need to book another holiday!
After all the delays with the B787 programme, its actual introduction into service has kind of crept up on me ...
Can anybody confirm the degree of confidence TOM has that the February launch plan will proceed as stated in this article? I may just need to book another holiday!
After all the delays with the B787 programme, its actual introduction into service has kind of crept up on me ...
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Those routes seem a bit stupid for the 787... I'm sure there's logic but why continue it on existing sunshine routes in easy reach of existing narrow body a/c in their fleet... They could easily expand transatlantic holiday destinations profitably from slimmer airports now, so why don't they? Seems a bit strange and a waste of a 787!
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Initially I would expect Thomson to use the 787 on regular Sun flights
for crew familiarisation etc.....was there not a rumour that Boeing were
going to give them some 777's to fill the gap until the 787's appear ?
You cannot fly what has not been built....I suggest the monicker of this
aircraft to be 'the 787 delayliner' from now on.....I just hope performance
is at projected targets !!
MM
for crew familiarisation etc.....was there not a rumour that Boeing were
going to give them some 777's to fill the gap until the 787's appear ?
You cannot fly what has not been built....I suggest the monicker of this
aircraft to be 'the 787 delayliner' from now on.....I just hope performance
is at projected targets !!
MM
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Why walk before you can run? Think of T5 opening day....
BA used to fly the B777 on LHR-CDG and AF did a similar trick with the A380, all to bring the crew up to speed and give familiarity to the operation.
BA used to fly the B777 on LHR-CDG and AF did a similar trick with the A380, all to bring the crew up to speed and give familiarity to the operation.
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was there not a rumour that Boeing were
going to give them some 777's to fill the gap until the 787's appear
going to give them some 777's to fill the gap until the 787's appear
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787
Looking at various articles, logs and blogs this seems unusual to say the least.
A log on another site had 34 787's around Paine Field the other day, none in Thomson colours, on a different site it says that there are 36 (some of the above) are having mods (LN7, LN10-23 and LN25-45). Then there is LN46-49 in final assembly.
LN1-6 are test aircraft, LN8 & LN24 have already been delivered to ANA with LN9 is final prep.
Another site has 6 or 7 to be delivered this year, all Rolls as GEnx engines
are still to be certified and 51 due to be delivered next year.
None as yet have been identified as Thomson aircraft (but some are not painted) so it would seem that it is "rabbit out of a hat" time or the article is at best optimistic.
Certainly still looks possible for 2012 delivery but February would mean taking another airlines batch - Air India have several painted with no engines and of course there is much discussion regarding finance although in the short-term there is little problem as the engine isn't even certified. Thomson I assume will be having Rolls engines.
Pete
A log on another site had 34 787's around Paine Field the other day, none in Thomson colours, on a different site it says that there are 36 (some of the above) are having mods (LN7, LN10-23 and LN25-45). Then there is LN46-49 in final assembly.
LN1-6 are test aircraft, LN8 & LN24 have already been delivered to ANA with LN9 is final prep.
Another site has 6 or 7 to be delivered this year, all Rolls as GEnx engines
are still to be certified and 51 due to be delivered next year.
None as yet have been identified as Thomson aircraft (but some are not painted) so it would seem that it is "rabbit out of a hat" time or the article is at best optimistic.
Certainly still looks possible for 2012 delivery but February would mean taking another airlines batch - Air India have several painted with no engines and of course there is much discussion regarding finance although in the short-term there is little problem as the engine isn't even certified. Thomson I assume will be having Rolls engines.
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TOM 787's - first was programmed from Sep 2012 and MAN was the first planned base. There will be no 777 or 767 'freebees from Boeing' to fill any gap as there isnt a gap as all bar one (i think) of the current 767 fleet leases have been extended accordingly.
Latest update from my contact is now Jan 2013 for first delivery as suits TOM better (not a Boeing delay).
Latest update from my contact is now Jan 2013 for first delivery as suits TOM better (not a Boeing delay).
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Rubbish airfield, Manchester.
Oh yeh, we wasted plenty of fuel holding unnecessarily the other morning. Over a ton ourselves. Think of the cost and the environment. And we were not alone. Airfield Ops, not ATC to blame, as usual. Crap council-run aerodrome. Health and Safety along with idiots in Security rule, no interest in customers' success. IMHO Tripoli and Benghazi were operated better. And for that matter, Annaba, Hassi Messaoud, Ujung Pandang, Camaguey and the rest. No need to reply, plane pushers and ATC. The place is a shambles, as us real users know only so well. (LGW is streets ahead, LHR more so, CDG too, but I'm just a driver, so I'm in the same boat as all the other poor suckers. Pax mostly. We keep making excuses to them.) As for those Leader drivers......clueless.
And honestly, I used to love the place. A good friend in management has kept me in the loop. It is being run by fools. And operated by a large percentage of same. MAN would be far better being run by Mr. O'Leary. Seriously. Ah well. back to join the miserable hordes at Staff West tomorrow. Or is that closed due WIP too?
And honestly, I used to love the place. A good friend in management has kept me in the loop. It is being run by fools. And operated by a large percentage of same. MAN would be far better being run by Mr. O'Leary. Seriously. Ah well. back to join the miserable hordes at Staff West tomorrow. Or is that closed due WIP too?
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Ah well. back to join the miserable hordes at Staff West tomorrow. Or is that closed due WIP too?
and no, I'm not kidding
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Roy Hudd,
Do you know the reason for you being held 'unnecessarily? It was no doubt related to the ongoing runway refurbishment project - something all airports have to do from time to time. There can be unexpected problems when you are carving up a runway overnight and trying to get it back fit for use in just a few hours. In my experience MAN takes a lot of care over the safety of airfield works, and sets standards which others could usefully employ. Yes, Airfield Operations at MAN are often cautious, avoiding the 'pushing tin' mentality which can lead to mistakes being made. You would be unlikely to see MAN re-start flying just minutes after a major aircraft accident, and before everyone has a chance to properly assess the situation, as happened at a certain UK airport in January 2008. If you think the Leader vehicles are 'clueless' you ought to get out there and show them how it's done. I'm sure the Ops Manager would welcome letting you have a try at some of the things those guys and gals have to do.
Do you know the reason for you being held 'unnecessarily? It was no doubt related to the ongoing runway refurbishment project - something all airports have to do from time to time. There can be unexpected problems when you are carving up a runway overnight and trying to get it back fit for use in just a few hours. In my experience MAN takes a lot of care over the safety of airfield works, and sets standards which others could usefully employ. Yes, Airfield Operations at MAN are often cautious, avoiding the 'pushing tin' mentality which can lead to mistakes being made. You would be unlikely to see MAN re-start flying just minutes after a major aircraft accident, and before everyone has a chance to properly assess the situation, as happened at a certain UK airport in January 2008. If you think the Leader vehicles are 'clueless' you ought to get out there and show them how it's done. I'm sure the Ops Manager would welcome letting you have a try at some of the things those guys and gals have to do.