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DAL154 is taking a winter break? Hmmm does that mean he has to change his username? (again?)
Quite a lot has been written of late. Quite a lot indeed.
Firstly there is more than one variable in play. The demand may be there year round. You could fill seats. You may even make money. However the asset may also be used better elsewhere on your network so the carrier may rightly be summer only in the face of apparent demand.
Yes we analysts do on occasion get it wrong, however it can depend whether you are preaching to a closed mind or whether more factors are in play than straight P&L. There may be a strategic reason underpinning matters which explain why a decision seems to go against the data presented.
Please don't shout people down on here, most are intelligent and deserve to be listened to. Actually a mature understanding of past behaviours is a pretty good guide to future trends, not a gaurantee of course but when one has confidence in the information and we can be certain it's not being skewed for political (or strategic) purposes then it can be invaluable. It's why some comapnies survive and some go under. Ask Don Burr about data and how American CEO Bob Crandall killed his company with it. (Actually he may be dead by now so best not to try but the point stands)
What do you suggest then? All sit round and have a chat, form a consensus about the strategy and move forward without hard data and proper stats? Guess what, without those analysts and forward predictions, you get no credit line, no financing, no future, no jobs, no way will you get shiny new aircraft without a solid business case hence no company. Heavens above!
I would say more but I'm on my lunch at work and have more obsolete analytics to waste people's time with it seems.
Core message? Manchester's forward planning was derailed by fragmentation of the local market with the rise of LPL and LBA and long haul suffers *slightly* from being too close to Heathrow in some ways but on a European comparisone level is still oversubscribed. The loss of BA is overstated, the loss of WW is more of a loss to them I think.
Stop looking at YOY ( Year in Year), take a step back, look at what's happened in the last ten years and understand that the airport is back on track but that the vision that was presented back pre 9-11 isn't the one that is realistic now. The good thing about the people on here is that some have long memories and have seen the cycle some two and three times now.
But on the flip side, why does American see demand for the winter and staying year round on JFK this year? This is what Im saying, one persons prediction may not match someone elses.
Firstly there is more than one variable in play. The demand may be there year round. You could fill seats. You may even make money. However the asset may also be used better elsewhere on your network so the carrier may rightly be summer only in the face of apparent demand.
Yes we analysts do on occasion get it wrong, however it can depend whether you are preaching to a closed mind or whether more factors are in play than straight P&L. There may be a strategic reason underpinning matters which explain why a decision seems to go against the data presented.
I shouted this down due to the fact I think predicting future trends is about as useful as fortune telling.
Im not saying analysts are obsolete
I would say more but I'm on my lunch at work and have more obsolete analytics to waste people's time with it seems.
Core message? Manchester's forward planning was derailed by fragmentation of the local market with the rise of LPL and LBA and long haul suffers *slightly* from being too close to Heathrow in some ways but on a European comparisone level is still oversubscribed. The loss of BA is overstated, the loss of WW is more of a loss to them I think.
Stop looking at YOY ( Year in Year), take a step back, look at what's happened in the last ten years and understand that the airport is back on track but that the vision that was presented back pre 9-11 isn't the one that is realistic now. The good thing about the people on here is that some have long memories and have seen the cycle some two and three times now.
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I would say more but I'm on my lunch at work and have more obsolete analytics to waste people's time with it seems.
I was not trying to offend in any way, but you seem to have made your own mind up on that.
Actually a mature understanding of past behaviours is a pretty good guide to future trends, not a gaurantee of course
Thisngs like seasonal changes and 10 years worth of data can be used to predict to some degree, but not all of it.
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It has been rumoureed about here for a while now that Monarch will be moving to T2. I was speaking to a bloke from the airport authority not long ago and he said it is all but confirmed. I suspect it will be in November, given the above.
He also said at the time that Monarch were looking for a lounge there too. It does make sense as I know they are currently reviewing the benefits of their frequent flyer Vantage clubcard holders, after withdrawing complimentary lounge access a couple of years ago.
He also said at the time that Monarch were looking for a lounge there too. It does make sense as I know they are currently reviewing the benefits of their frequent flyer Vantage clubcard holders, after withdrawing complimentary lounge access a couple of years ago.
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Is there enough room available for Monarch at T2 in the morning with all them TOM flights etch? Also, If room is going to be made at T1 with Monarch's departure, why can't EZY use Pier C too. I don't like the current Pier B. I'll be flying with EZY to HAM in December and to Sharm Next May. Or will Jet 2 now move over to Pier C so EZY will have most stands on Pier B? Gates 4, 6, 8 & 10 are in a terrible state looking from the outside, the other side (East) isn't as bad but doesn't have the advantage of airbridges.
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Do easyJet realise what a retrograde step this move is?
T1, especially pier B is a slum compared to T3.
Move Flybe to T1 if someone must move.
I say this as a frequent easy passenger.
T1, especially pier B is a slum compared to T3.
Move Flybe to T1 if someone must move.
I say this as a frequent easy passenger.
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Here here! T3 is great for EZY. I like T1 and in some ways Pier C but not Pier B and the no room to swing a cat mornings. Haven't seen gate 12 from the inside before haven't been to T1 since last summer but there won't be any chance of having this stand I assume. MAN please keep EZY at T3.
On another note, are Thomas Cook moving to T2 too? I think T2 is designed much better for the likes of CO & EK etc with T1 charter and T3 low cost.
On another note, are Thomas Cook moving to T2 too? I think T2 is designed much better for the likes of CO & EK etc with T1 charter and T3 low cost.
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Do easyJet realise what a retrograde step this move is?
T1, especially pier B is a slum compared to T3.
T1, especially pier B is a slum compared to T3.
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The plan for Monarch in T2 is to have busing departures on remote stands for the first wave and the majority of the second wave departures. As I understand it, a good financial incentive was offered by the Airport which Monarch accepted.
Although B pier itself is not as good as T3, the rest of the terminal is quite nice since the renovation.
Although the plan is to use B pier for EZY, no doubt the day to day logistics of the airport will entail EZY using C pier too.
TCX are to remain in T1, however, I'm not too sure what the plan is with regards LH/LX moving to T3 to be with partner airline BMI.
Do easyJet realise what a retrograde step this move is?
T1, especially pier B is a slum compared to T3.
T1, especially pier B is a slum compared to T3.
If room is going to be made at T1 with Monarch's departure, why can't EZY use Pier C too.
On another note, are Thomas Cook moving to T2 too?
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Although B pier itself is not as good as T3, the rest of the terminal is quite nice since the renovation.
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Pier B is being done up. I arrived at Gate 9 in April and it does look quite good. Not finished yet though.
I don't want Monarch to move to T2, they have been in T1 for years. I thought T2 was going to be mainly for charter flights in the future, so I think TCX should move, yet again they have been in T1 for years.
Won't Virgin Atlantic move to T1 as well because of the A380?
I don't want Monarch to move to T2, they have been in T1 for years. I thought T2 was going to be mainly for charter flights in the future, so I think TCX should move, yet again they have been in T1 for years.
Won't Virgin Atlantic move to T1 as well because of the A380?
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Aer Lingus to further increase MAN - DUB routes this winter. There will be 4 daily flights everyday except Tuesday and Saturday which will be 3 daily. The total weekly flights will be 26. This compares to Ryanairs 20 weekly flights.
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And what may you be implying
And what may you be implying
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MKY661 - Virgin Atlantic has not disclosed any plans to deploy A380 equipment at MAN. Their current operation uses A333 & B744 equipment, and I am not aware of any plans to change from those types in the medium term. And of course, the A333 has only just been deployed here; it is likely to be a MAN fixture for a long time to come. Therefore, if they do decide to switch terminals it would be purely based upon commercial considerations; their MAN fleet is compatible with either T1 or T2 as preferred by the company.
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Unfortunately, no matter how you dress T1 up, it is still showing its age and is in need of demolition and rebuild. I personally do not like the revamped T1. It's a mess and unpleasant.
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Re your comment re moving FlyBe to T1
Why
They are the biggest user of T3 and use it all day wheras EZY use it a lot they do have there peaks and troughs
BE have everthing set uu in T3 Ticket desk //Crew Room// Engineering etc etc and have been there a good number of years
You just cant move 1 Airline to suit another
I cannot see in 1 Million years BE goint to T1 as there are no Domestic arrival stands for 1 and there operation from T3 works really well as they can combine Int/Dom flights and v v without moving A/c around
Fly Be is T3 for along time to come
sorry move the newcomers about not the scheduled long time users
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Why
They are the biggest user of T3 and use it all day wheras EZY use it a lot they do have there peaks and troughs
BE have everthing set uu in T3 Ticket desk //Crew Room// Engineering etc etc and have been there a good number of years
You just cant move 1 Airline to suit another
I cannot see in 1 Million years BE goint to T1 as there are no Domestic arrival stands for 1 and there operation from T3 works really well as they can combine Int/Dom flights and v v without moving A/c around
Fly Be is T3 for along time to come
sorry move the newcomers about not the scheduled long time users
Gezza