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BHX5DME,
April 2009 had Ryanair at full throttle before their big sulk and pull out from MAN. To pull back to 2% of passenger numbers without them isn't bad going. Now MAN have great middle east links (A380 services), shuttle links down to and connecting in heathrow/ gatwick, other hubs etc., 'new' terminal buildings, 2 runways, a good 'local' airline (Jet2.com), Flybe looking at further french development, significant EZY development and Ryanair back. I'm sure you will only be happy to congratulate MAN when further future expansion occurs!
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April 2009 had Ryanair at full throttle before their big sulk and pull out from MAN. To pull back to 2% of passenger numbers without them isn't bad going. Now MAN have great middle east links (A380 services), shuttle links down to and connecting in heathrow/ gatwick, other hubs etc., 'new' terminal buildings, 2 runways, a good 'local' airline (Jet2.com), Flybe looking at further french development, significant EZY development and Ryanair back. I'm sure you will only be happy to congratulate MAN when further future expansion occurs!
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EK Figures
There were a few emails knocking around the Manchester enthusiasts forums today quoting Emirates load figures for yesterday.
Dont recall the exact figures but apparently there were only 20 seats empty in total for the 3 flights of the day (A330, A380, B777)
Surely that must be some sort of load record. ?
2nd A380 soon ??
Dont recall the exact figures but apparently there were only 20 seats empty in total for the 3 flights of the day (A330, A380, B777)
Surely that must be some sort of load record. ?
2nd A380 soon ??
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And to cap that I believe EY and QR figures where very high as well
But what is impressive is EK have 2 flights with F class.
September is the date mentioned for A380 on EK19 and B773 3 class
for EK21
Ian B
But what is impressive is EK have 2 flights with F class.
September is the date mentioned for A380 on EK19 and B773 3 class
for EK21
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Absolutely. Lets put it into perspective.
Perspective, what on earth are you talking about ?. I relayed a factual experience (generally lacking on here most of the time with the resident armchair airport CEO's in waiting) of what I encounted at MAN this week. Do you want to re-read the post, slowly this time, and point out the bit where you think there is a lack of prespective. I would love you to stand in front of those hundreds of pax stuck in that corridor after flying in from Cancun and elsewhere and tell them they need to put it in perspective. That would be worth watching....
Going to back to the subject at hand, in the hope of not offending any of the RDF members on here, a couple of days ago some of our engineers who had come back on DL from ATL last month said they had to queue for nearly an hour as well. Fortunately they have it all in perspective....
MANflyer I have re-read your post. Yes, slowly. You give factual information, check. But then you go on to say
That is no longer factual, but your own opinion. Consequently, I replied by agreeing with AlphaRomeoWhisky by saying
As a ARW mentioned, due to a couple of delays it meant that several large aircraft landed at once. In such situations you are always going to get a bottleneck. Do we have extra staff on duty just in case? In an ideal world yes but these days that just wouldn't happen. Armchair CEO I certainly am not, neither am I a MAN apologist but some people moan and groan about MAN, making out it is the worst hole in the world but have any of you ever been to JFK when several European widebodies land at the same time in the early afternoon? What about BKK where I recently waited almost an hour? Hence my post suggesting that we put it into perspective. If i went down the corridor asking those passengers to put it into perspective, of course most wouldn't agree but then they are the ones waiting.
What I will say to you MANflyer is that if you are going to be condescending asking me to re-read slowly and insinuating that I misjudged the context of your post then atleast re-read your post aswell. Your post wasn't just factual but also opinionated (nothing wrong with that) and that is what my reply was based upon.
it is totally unacceptable and needs sorting, sharpish.
lets put it into perspective
What I will say to you MANflyer is that if you are going to be condescending asking me to re-read slowly and insinuating that I misjudged the context of your post then atleast re-read your post aswell. Your post wasn't just factual but also opinionated (nothing wrong with that) and that is what my reply was based upon.
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Since OBLs death, surely immigration and security staff must have had reminders to work to strict protocol, irrespective whether passengers are a family of 4 from MCO or, well I won't single out anyone, but you get my drift.
btw if you want to experience immigration delays, try being at the back of the que at MCO when the VS LGW flight has beat our VS75.
btw if you want to experience immigration delays, try being at the back of the que at MCO when the VS LGW flight has beat our VS75.
I've experienced some pretty hefty immigration delays ( 1 hr + ) ...but these were at CDG, ATL, JFK & YVR.
So far this year my longest delay at MAN T1, T2 or T3 has been 10 minutes.
I don't deny I may have been lucky. However, any delays are down to HM Border Control & not MA. Maybe it's best to contact them for comment.
So far this year my longest delay at MAN T1, T2 or T3 has been 10 minutes.
I don't deny I may have been lucky. However, any delays are down to HM Border Control & not MA. Maybe it's best to contact them for comment.
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Re EK...QR loads etc
On checking the Sunday travel pages you will find that 90% of long haul destinations ONLY mention LHR as the principal departure point....
to quote the small type... "regional connections to London are of course available".
By the end of summer Manchester will have connections to the Gulf every 120mins with fantastic connections to India, Asia The Far East and Australia etc.
Is there anything that can be done to address the "general perception" that if you want to depart UK on these specific holidays you have no option but to use LHR ?
On checking the Sunday travel pages you will find that 90% of long haul destinations ONLY mention LHR as the principal departure point....
to quote the small type... "regional connections to London are of course available".
By the end of summer Manchester will have connections to the Gulf every 120mins with fantastic connections to India, Asia The Far East and Australia etc.
Is there anything that can be done to address the "general perception" that if you want to depart UK on these specific holidays you have no option but to use LHR ?
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I've favoured QR out of MAN vs various LHR options but at the moment, LHR flights seem to be 'cheaper' due to the competition down there - so naturally many people people go for LHR vs MAN.
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'Is there anything that can be done to address the "general perception" that if you want to depart UK on these specific holidays you have no option but to use LHR ?'
Yes - keep filling planes from Manchester !!
MM
'Is there anything that can be done to address the "general perception" that if you want to depart UK on these specific holidays you have no option but to use LHR ?'
Yes - keep filling planes from Manchester !!
MM
As a Kuoni customer, just on Saturday morning I had a "Sales" offers brochure and most departures were LHR. The ironic thing about that complaint is that the capacity (and usually the cheaper fares) are ex LHR. Consequently MAN must be filling it's aircraft with greater yield. It's not necassarilly a bad thing.
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That is no longer factual, but your own opinion.
Are you seriously suggesting that passengers who are disembarking and having to walk away from immigration to get to the back of the queue that goes back past the gate from which they are disembarking the aircraft need 'perspective'. Do you do stand-up as well ?.
What about BKK you say. Well I've only been through there 30-40 times in the last 2-3 years (I'd actually just flown in from there on LX) so I'm not sure I should argue with any of your learned comments on the place. I am not saying you are lying or exaggerating to try and back up the stuff you posted earlier (and I am sure you are not in the RDF, as you say so) but I can say, as a FACT, that I have never had to wait anything like an hour to get through there (not even half of that, actually). But you also missed the fact that their own channels for Thai residents - you know, just like the queue I am talking about at MAN is for UK residents - is always fully manned and I have never seen queues of more than half a dozen people in them.
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@MANflyer I've been 45 mins at MAN immigration before, was coming back in on a QR flight and two TOM flights were also disembarking - the queue was around the corner and well outside of the zoned queuing system. It does happen, but I've typically gotten through in 10 minutesn many flights, depends on the peak.
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JSCL, I agree they are not always like that. But the queues have started getting worse recently, as I have wtinessed myself and have others telling me, and they need to sort it out. Telling people to get it in 'perspective' is ridiculous.
I have IRIS and two chipped passports so I can by-pass the queues, but it doesn't mean whats going on doesn't need to be sorted out before it become the norm rather than the exception. I have never seen a queue as big as last week in all the years I've been using the place.
I have IRIS and two chipped passports so I can by-pass the queues, but it doesn't mean whats going on doesn't need to be sorted out before it become the norm rather than the exception. I have never seen a queue as big as last week in all the years I've been using the place.
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'Is there anything that can be done to address the "general perception" that if you want to depart UK on these specific holidays you have no option but to use LHR
I hate to be the one to tell you, but you're doing rather well......The reason you have offers over LHR is that it's the only hub airport we have, nothing wrong with that if you're happy to go on price. The joy is that people now have the choice of paying a little more to fly direct. Horses for courses.
keep digging
Like I say, BKK took me almost an hour. Amongst the several widebodies that arrived around the same time was a Transaero and the incredibly rude Russians on that flight didn't help by trying to push in. In my opinion it was a bit of a free for all. There were indeed Thai channels which moved quicker but we all know that MAN (and othe UK regionals) have a higher percentage of outbound pax so perhaps this is the issue when several widebodies land at the same time.
(and I am sure you are not in the RDF, as you say so)
Now I know it's a pain in the
having to wait in line....nobody likes it but from experience it's not a constant problem at MAN unlike some other airports. Sometimes we just have to wait in life.My original point was more broadly aimed at the MAN bashers who indeed don't put things into perspective. Particular irritants are the "ohh EK won't stand for that" brigade. My last long haul trip was to BKK and just happened to be EK.......my experience was.
DXB Shambolic boarding of an A380 using just two gate agents with no clear organisation.
BKK Long wait at immigration
MAN Excellent check in, very organised boarding and immigration took 5 mins despite being at the back of a 77W.
On that trip, out of MAN, DXB, BKK, HKT and USM it was MAN that offered the best experience but despite the "snags" at the other airports (including a 40 minute wait at USM check in) I didn't think it let those airports down......I put it into perspective. It is just good to compare these things with the "palaces" that many MAN folk have wet dreams about. i.e they too aren't perfect.
Again, just my experience but people need to keep things balanced rather than always taking the "it's a disgrace" attitude.
I agree.
Flew on the 380 in Jan from Man. Excellent hassle free experience, as i generally find at Man.
Arriving at DXB was a complete ball-ache. I was waiting for over 2.5 hours to get through immigration. Very slow & huge queues.
Flew on the 380 in Jan from Man. Excellent hassle free experience, as i generally find at Man.
Arriving at DXB was a complete ball-ache. I was waiting for over 2.5 hours to get through immigration. Very slow & huge queues.
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At some point you guys might realise that your own perception of the general perception is wrong. The Sunday papers are published from London but I think anyone going East knows the way to go is much simpler using MAN.
Usual pearls of wisdom Skippy....
BUT if you honestly think that the populous of the UK look at a holiday offer and then factor in that they can remanufacture whats on offer to fly from Manchester which may be much less hassle , I suspect you are sadly mistaken !
Of course there are savvy customers who will always shop around but the British public are somewhat naive...i still remain unconvinced !
Usual pearls of wisdom Skippy....
BUT if you honestly think that the populous of the UK look at a holiday offer and then factor in that they can remanufacture whats on offer to fly from Manchester which may be much less hassle , I suspect you are sadly mistaken !
Of course there are savvy customers who will always shop around but the British public are somewhat naive...i still remain unconvinced !
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Just giving guy in office grief about travelling MAN-LHR-DEN, but he seems to have got quite a good deal pricewise and the layover in LHR is minimal. However, when I tried to teach him the error of his ways, I was encouraged to find that Amadeus.net was showing MAN to PHL or JFK as the best option, albeit with 6hr+ layovers at the stop.
Advantage2011: Travel agent leaves Mary Queen of Shops speechless-09 May, 2011
Sort or related.
Of course there are savvy customers who will always shop around but the British public are somewhat naive...i still remain unconvinced !
Sort or related.
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Just giving guy in office grief about travelling MAN-LHR-DEN, but he seems to have got quite a good deal pricewise and the layover in LHR is minimal. However, when I tried to teach him the error of his ways, I was encouraged to find that Amadeus.net was showing MAN to PHL or JFK as the best option, albeit with 6hr+ layovers at the stop.
Plus if it's BA as opposed to BD/UA then the experience at LHR will most likely be better than any US transit airport.