United Continental...merger
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: alameda
Posts: 1,053
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
United Continental...merger
Recent articles are putting forth he merger again...Houston is even worried about losing CAL's HQ.
Now, I understand ALPA changed their merger policy to reflect Date of hire. U see...the UAL boys want it both ways.
thoughts?
Now, I understand ALPA changed their merger policy to reflect Date of hire. U see...the UAL boys want it both ways.
thoughts?
I understand ALPA changed their merger policy to reflect Date of hire
I am asuming you mean the seniority list would now merge on date of joining and, for instance, a captain who achieved an early command compared with one of the merging companies could end up back in the RHS?
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: I wouldn't know.
Posts: 4,499
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Merging lists is never easy nor really fair to all. Good examples even in germany are the merger of GWI into the KTV (eye to eye? more be happy you get in even if you do not want it), or the merger between AB and its subsidiaries which are now in the works for more than 3 years and still not solved.
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: United States
Posts: 216
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Why always these problems with seniority mergers in the USA?
This is aggravated by many airlines having had hiring cycles that were out of sync, so even very similar airlines can get very messy when looking at straight date of hire integrations. America West and USAirways for example, where America West had Captains with later dates of hire than furloughed USAirways pilots.
All of which set the stage for greed to come front and center.
Why always these problems with seniority mergers in the USA?
. . . .
No downgradings, everyone keeps its seat. Seat changes according to the new list.
. . . .
Easy, isn't it?
. . . .
No downgradings, everyone keeps its seat. Seat changes according to the new list.
. . . .
Easy, isn't it?
. . . .
OK in a fast promotion time. If things are slow then it's 'redress training' based on DoJ (before the anti seniority Gods of the Sky mention it - subject to suitability)
. . . .
It's never easy.
Most people who have flown as captain will be disappointed to go back in the RHS but remember, you have been/are a captain - straight back, wear three bars with pride (unlike a colleague who used to skulk through the terminal in a scruffy fleece ) I've been in worse situations. The interesting bit about going back from captain to FO is that it confirms all the FO stuff about some captains being OK and others being a PITA (but nevertheless competent airmen)
OK, once again this week I'll bite.
WTF is ''one hour martinizing''
Last edited by Basil; 28th Apr 2010 at 23:11.
Join Date: May 2009
Location: sfo
Age: 70
Posts: 309
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Basil
"One Hour Martinizing" is an alleged dry cleaning process. Big sign on the outside of the establishment, but try getting your clothes back the next day, let alone an hour later.
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Rockytop, Tennessee, USA
Posts: 5,898
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like
on
1 Post
Most people who have flown as captain will be disappointed to go back in the RHS but remember, you have been/are a captain - straight back, wear three bars with pride (unlike a colleague who used to skulk through the terminal in a scruffy fleece )
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Canada
Posts: 16
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
At AC in the 90's we sometimes, actually most times had three four-stripers on the YVR/KIX run. The left seater had the lid with scrambled eggs and the others not. For most it was a case of "Je ne give a **** pas."
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: alameda
Posts: 1,053
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
One hour martinizing...this line was borrowed from KRAMER in a Seinfeld TV show episode...watch them all and when this one comes up, you will have a double laugh.
airbubba. ur correct about usair east...funny thing is after 911 and the shutdown of DCA for three weeks, things got hairy and many captains were demoted, other pilots furloughed.
of course America West hadn't yet hired some pilots during that time, yet those they hired LATER made captain.
So, the terrorists won again.
The reason a former captain could keep his four stripes was monetary. The company wouldn't pay for a new coat jacket with three stripes.
PS...the seinfeld episode is called: "The Suicide"...very funny
airbubba. ur correct about usair east...funny thing is after 911 and the shutdown of DCA for three weeks, things got hairy and many captains were demoted, other pilots furloughed.
of course America West hadn't yet hired some pilots during that time, yet those they hired LATER made captain.
So, the terrorists won again.
The reason a former captain could keep his four stripes was monetary. The company wouldn't pay for a new coat jacket with three stripes.
PS...the seinfeld episode is called: "The Suicide"...very funny
Last edited by protectthehornet; 29th Apr 2010 at 03:50.
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Charlotte, NC USA
Age: 64
Posts: 508
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
United/Continental (armchair CEO version)
AP source: Continental and United to combine - Yahoo! News
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100502/ap_on_bi_ge/us_united_continental
C2j
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100502/ap_on_bi_ge/us_united_continental
C2j
Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: Planet Earth
Posts: 276
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
This should be exciting. The problem with being number one is that there is only one way to go as everyone wants to dethrone you . The benefit of being number one is enormous. I hope it`s a success.
Join Date: May 2000
Location: Seattle
Posts: 3,196
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
It appears that Continental has chosen to join the race to the bottom in customer service. To now they have distinguished themselves by remaining "a cut above," but that will soon be lost.
The "legacy" carriers have nothing more to offer today than a look at history...
The "legacy" carriers have nothing more to offer today than a look at history...
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: EU
Posts: 262
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
This is far from a done deal. But it was very predictable that this attempt was going to be made.
After Continental Airlines left the Skyteam alliance for Star (because of the Delta/NWA merger) there was only one way to go. The next step will be for American Airlines to try and get US Aiways merged into them (although the synergies are tougher in that case). This would leave three large groupings in the US and Europe, all tied together in the worldwide alliances anchored by the respective mega carriers. These three worldwide alliances will control upwards of 70% of all traffic. That will only leave room for a potential fourth grouping which would tie together the low-cost carriers. This is still a few years away, but is inevitable. Only some non-aligned niche carriers will be left fighting for any crumbs.
After Continental Airlines left the Skyteam alliance for Star (because of the Delta/NWA merger) there was only one way to go. The next step will be for American Airlines to try and get US Aiways merged into them (although the synergies are tougher in that case). This would leave three large groupings in the US and Europe, all tied together in the worldwide alliances anchored by the respective mega carriers. These three worldwide alliances will control upwards of 70% of all traffic. That will only leave room for a potential fourth grouping which would tie together the low-cost carriers. This is still a few years away, but is inevitable. Only some non-aligned niche carriers will be left fighting for any crumbs.
