Monarch -2

[OltonPete]

787's

Do we know if a deposit was paid on the 787's and if so, has it has been converted to a down-payment for 738's or even 739's?

[Airbus321-200]

763 jock - ah i see i thought you had just blindly commented. I think we all seen it coming and with the 737 rumour on the mill at the minute then i wouldn't be surprised if it were true.

It's going to be interesting to see what will happen within the next year. If the link up with Air Europa is happening then i see 737 & 767 in the short to medium term.

[Mr @ Spotty M]

Airbus321-200

Dont worry, your name sake will be flying for Monarch for many more years to come.

[Airbus321-200]

I hope so. I love the A320/1 and i'm not a huge fan of the 737 from a day to day viewpoint. The 737 feels small and cramped while the airbus doesn't. Lots of little points why i prefer the airbus but from an airline point of view i can see why it looks attractive.

[763 jock]

Mr @Spotty M,

I had forgotten the Scandinavian A330 that is staying in the group, but not coming to the UK next summer. There is also an A320 going as well. Fag packet calculations, about 2000 seats removed from next summers UK fleet.

I suspect that we will see more summer only leases as the UK side tries to balance the summer/winter demand requirements.

With regards to the MON 787 order, even the greenest and latest technology cannot escape the APD taxes of the UK Treasury. Crying shame, anyone for the DC10?

[Kestrel_Stu]

even the greenest and latest technology cannot escape the APD taxes of the UK Treasury

APD is one thing, fuel consumption is another, but with respect you fail to recognise the salient point - a new 787 lease cost is c.US$1m/mth

Fuel cost, albeit lower then for a 330, becomes eclipsed by this enormous expense. If it doesn't work now on a 10-year old A330, it definitely doesn't work on a brand new B787.

How Thomson will make it work I have no idea

[rubik101]

This is not the first time Monarch has ordered aircraft only to sell on the option to another carrier, generally at some profit to Monarch.

[crackling jet]

Any news on the possible BRS base for 2112 ?

[rubik101]

101 years from now? Probably not.

[Jes]

There's a Monarch section 5 lines down at present. Why start a new one in contravention of the rules?

[Benod]

Cannot believe monarch haven't released there fleet review yet!

[allosaurus]

A321 upgrade

4 A321,s having aux fuel tanks fitted this Winter programme.When completed 2 based at MAN, 2 at Hatwick Gatport.

[MKY661]

Hatwick Gatport.

You mean Gatwick right?

Anyway do you know which ones?

[allosaurus]

A321 upgrade

No,not yet.Will post again when A/C are nominated

[ZeBedie]

Probably G-0ZBE/F/G/H

[Mr @ Spotty M]

They have been nominated and l think ZeBedie is spot on, l know they are from that batch of deliveries.

[ImPlaneCrazy]

Is the only benefit of having aux fuel tanks just increased range?

[partyboy_uk]

Interesting stuff. Strangely enough, when you look at flights for MAN-SSH the aircraft seat map shows an A321. Does anyone know if the A321 with the aux fuel tanks can reach SSH then? And if so, will there be enough space for the bags?

[Mr @ Spotty M]

Yes, they are being fitted because these a/c are being used on the ZB flights to SSH, starting in November.

[hapzim]

They bring most of the bags into the cabin now and try to stuff them into the hat bins, to save on baggage charges. Yet pax weights have not been altered by the ministry to take this into account!