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Old 10th Feb 2010, 13:32
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Ryanair Announces 3 New Edinburgh Routes to Faro, Marrakesh & Paris



2.5M RYANAIR PAX P.A. AT Edinburgh

Ryanair, the world’s favourite airline, announced today (10th Feb 10) that it will open 3 new routes (38 in total) from Edinburgh to Faro, Marrakesh and Paris from May 2010 which will grow Ryanair’s annual traffic at Edinburgh to 2.5m passengers, sustaining 2,500 local jobs (including 300 Ryanair pilots and cabin crew).

Ryanair will also increase frequencies from Edinburgh to Alicante, Barcelona, Dublin, Frankfurt, Malaga, Malta, Marseille, Munich West, Palma, Stockholm and Tenerife from May. Ryanair will base a sixth aircraft at Edinburgh from May.

Ryanair celebrated these 3 new Edinburgh routes by extending its 1 million £5 seat sale until midnight Thursday (11th Feb), for travel on Tuesdays, Wednesdays and Thursdays in March. Ryanair’s new routes go on sale on www.ryanair.com tomorrow.

Ryanair’s Stephen McNamara said:

“Ryanair is delighted to announce 3 new routes from Edinburgh to Faro, Marrakesh and Paris and increased frequencies on 11 existing routes to provide Scottish consumers/visitors with even more low fares to 38 exciting destinations from Edinburgh this summer. Ryanair’s 2.5m Edinburgh passengers will sustain 2,500 local jobs.

“To celebrate these new aircraft and routes Ryanair is extending its 1m £5 seat sale, for travel across Europe in March, until midnight Thursday. Since seats at these crazy low prices will be snapped up quickly, we urge passengers to book them immediately on www.ryanair.com”.
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Old 10th Feb 2010, 13:41
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An airline holding an Irish AOC cannot fly between UK and Turkey, not even on a charter basis.
Ryanair can provide direct air services to Turkish destinations ONLY from the Republic of Ireland.

So please stop asking about it everytime.
Paphos is in Cyprus (Greek half), not Turkey...
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Old 10th Feb 2010, 13:48
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I perfectly know where Paphos is.

I am talking about Dalaman.
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Old 10th Feb 2010, 13:52
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FR is to launch a new French domestic connection : Beauvais-Pau. I guess it's going to be operated with the 6th based aircraft in EDI on a W-rotation.

On the other hand, Ryanair seems to have removed from sales various routes originating from its Sardinian base in Alghero.
Flights to Bari, Brescia, Beauvais, Bremen, Charleroi, Liverpool as well as Reus are all no longer available.
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Old 10th Feb 2010, 15:30
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From anna.aero:
"The science of route planning according to Ryanair’s COO Michael Cawley: “We don’t bother trying to analyse the living daylights out of a route, we have a look at the demographics, and then make a decision to do it – we accept that around 7-10% might not work but we don’t see this as failure – we see it as 90% success.”"

Interesting but not surprising!
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Old 10th Feb 2010, 15:46
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The only thing that is surprising is the 7-10% figure. 50-60% might be a more realistic estimate.
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Old 10th Feb 2010, 16:02
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Kevyon, lose the attitude buddy!!
I have only asked this question once, the reason I mentioned it was because I didn't know the answer. But thanks for informing me in such a delightful manner.
Would be interested to know more about the Turkish rule and the reason behind but don't want my head bitten off!
EDI - PFO twice a week is viable.
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Old 10th Feb 2010, 16:06
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All the more reason to allow Turkey to join the European Union!
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Old 10th Feb 2010, 17:35
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Would be interested to know more about the Turkish rule and the reason behind but don't want my head bitten off!
Flights between countries are traditionally ruled by air service treaties between the countries concerned. To allow an Irish airline to operate between the UK and Turkey would require an amendment to the UK/Turkey deal and the Ireland/Turkey deal. The Turks, and possibly the UK, may want something in return from the Irish. Each side wants the maximum possible benefit for itself, and traditionally each country wanted to protect it's national airline

A good example is the Canada and the UAE. The UAE wants more frequencies but the Canadians won't agree to amend the treaty since it is unlikely any Canadian carriers will want them - indeed it could take away business from Air Canada, at least that is the fear.

In recent years we now have a common aviation area in most of Europe (and Morocco) and open skies. Some countries at least are changing philosophy from trying to protect their own interests to the 'free market' philosophy. Interestingly Canada has an open skies deal with Europe, but in this case Canadian airlines are better positioned to take advantage of this
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Poitiers

Any chance of Ryanair producing for flights to poitiers, they currently fly from Edinburgh and Stansted any news??

Thanks planenutter
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Any chance of Ryanair producing for flights to poitiers
ASFKAP posted yesterday about a dispute over the citizens and city council of Poitiers being unhappy that Ryanair had recently asked for an increase in the "marketing support" amount payable by the city to the airline. Presumably until the current debate is settled, new routes at Poitiers are on hold

http://www.pprune.org/airlines-airpo...ml#post5501845
Ryanair rebuts blackmail claims - The Irish Times - Sat, Feb 06, 2010
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RYANAIR

Ryanair flew BHX to Poitiers for the last few summers and was always very full when i used it, but RYR seem to of added this to the list of destinations now deleted from BHX
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Poitiers

I have freinds living in Parthenay about 45 mins awaqy from the airport and BHX always used to be the ideal airport for us now we are done for! Is there any news on flights which could start to Poitiers? We flew on Ediburgh-Poitiers in summer last year pax was full so :/

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Flights between countries are traditionally ruled by air service treaties between the countries concerned. To allow an Irish airline to operate between the UK and Turkey would require an amendment to the UK/Turkey deal and the Ireland/Turkey deal. The Turks, and possibly the UK, may want something in return from the Irish. Each side wants the maximum possible benefit for itself, and traditionally each country wanted to protect it's national airline

A good example is the Canada and the UAE. The UAE wants more frequencies but the Canadians won't agree to amend the treaty since it is unlikely any Canadian carriers will want them - indeed it could take away business from Air Canada, at least that is the fear.

In recent years we now have a common aviation area in most of Europe (and Morocco) and open skies. Some countries at least are changing philosophy from trying to protect their own interests to the 'free market' philosophy. Interestingly Canada has an open skies deal with Europe, but in this case Canadian airlines are better positioned to take advantage of this
Yes exactly, the basic concept is that where 2 countries do not have an open skies agreement, only aircraft registered in either of the 2 countries can operate a route between them. For example Ireland and Russia, only either Irish or Russian aircraft can operate between Ireland and Russia. The UK and Turkey are exactly the same, only either UK or Turkish registered aircraft can operate between the two countries. Therefore Ryanair, who are Irish registered cannot operate between the UK and Turkey. Similiarly Easyjet who are UK (or Swiss) registered cannot operate a route between Ireland and Turkey.
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Many thanks to "en2r" and "airhumberside" for explaining that situation. Now I understand the EU situation.
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RYR Skavsta 10/02/10

Copied and pasted from Ryanair's website:-


"Stockholm Skavsta Airport Closure - 10th Feb 2010
Stockholm Skavsta Airport illegally closed their runway yesterday evening, without prior notice being given to either Ryanair or its passengers. As a result of this closure, one aircraft was forced to divert to Stockholm Arlanda airport, all passengers were transported by bus back to Stockholm Skavsta Airport. We sincerely apologise to all passengers affected by this unnecessary diversion which was outside of Ryanair's control.

All flights are expected to operate normally on the 11th February."

A rather tetchy explanation from FR, could anyone shed anymore
light?
Hope this is the right forum, not wishing to ruffle anyone's feathers.
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Old 11th Feb 2010, 08:48
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Illegal?

I thought it was illegal to do anything that RYR do not like and/or that will cost RYR money
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Long bus ride from Stockholm Arland to Skavsta! Most passengers were probably on their way to Stockholm city anyway - who on earth would want to go to Skavsta, in the middle of nowhere, in the middle of the night?
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who on earth would want to go to Skavsta, in the middle of nowhere, in the middle of the night?
Someone with a car parked there?
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Interesting story! A similar thing happened to me late last year. On December 22nd 2009 I was on a flight from STN to GSE - as we got closer to Gothenburg the pilot said that due to the weather both Gothenburg Säve and Landvetter airports were closed, and that we would circle while they cleared the runways. Eventually we began approaching Säve only to abort quite late into the approach, whereupon we flew directly to Stockholm (I'm not sure if it was Skavsta or Vasteras, I think the former) where we landed and were initially wished a pleasant onward journey and thanked for flying with RYR - not very helpful when you're on the other side of a country in a middle of a snowstorm, 22:30 and in true Ryanair style, a long way from another transport hub. Before a mutiny broke out the staff announced that we would wait on the plane while they found out what RYR head office had to say, and whether Gothenburg would be re-opening soon. An hour or so later we took off and flew to Gothenburg Landvetter (we were able to call friends/family/etc while on the ground and rearrange meetings), and that was the end of that. No mention of 'illegal' closures, compensation, no sign of this in the Ryanair news archive.
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