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About Aena
Aena provides airport and A.N. services with security, quality, efficiency and respect for the environment.
The Public Business Entity Aena, created under that established in Section 82 of the General State Budget Act 4/1990 of 1990, is governed by that laid out in Royal Decree 905/1991 of 14 June approving the Articles of the Entity.
As stated in Section 1 of its Articles, Aena will aim to “contribute towards the development of air transport in Spain and to guarantee safe, fluid, effective and economic air traffic, offering a service quality in line with customer and user demand, within the framework of the general transport policy of the Government”. Its objective, therefore, is to manage civil airports of general interest and the facilities and networks of air navigation assistance.
The Public Business Entity Aena has its own legal character independent to that of the State, fully legal, public and private capacity and its own equity.Likewise, it is listed in the Ministry of Transports and Infrastructures that, in line with the mandate established by the Government, will establish its directives for action, approve the annual plan of objectives, monitor its activity and carry out, without prejudice to other authorities, the control of its efficiency in accordance with the regulation sin force.
I just found this information on the aena website, if the government own all the airports (or the local districts), it seems strange the deals are being negotiated to attract airlines from one airport to another within Spain. Ryanair maintain that all spanish airport reduced fees to zero for the recession.
The Public Business Entity Aena, created under that established in Section 82 of the General State Budget Act 4/1990 of 1990, is governed by that laid out in Royal Decree 905/1991 of 14 June approving the Articles of the Entity.
As stated in Section 1 of its Articles, Aena will aim to “contribute towards the development of air transport in Spain and to guarantee safe, fluid, effective and economic air traffic, offering a service quality in line with customer and user demand, within the framework of the general transport policy of the Government”. Its objective, therefore, is to manage civil airports of general interest and the facilities and networks of air navigation assistance.
The Public Business Entity Aena has its own legal character independent to that of the State, fully legal, public and private capacity and its own equity.Likewise, it is listed in the Ministry of Transports and Infrastructures that, in line with the mandate established by the Government, will establish its directives for action, approve the annual plan of objectives, monitor its activity and carry out, without prejudice to other authorities, the control of its efficiency in accordance with the regulation sin force.
I just found this information on the aena website, if the government own all the airports (or the local districts), it seems strange the deals are being negotiated to attract airlines from one airport to another within Spain. Ryanair maintain that all spanish airport reduced fees to zero for the recession.
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The madness continues...
Reported today - boarding card reissue fee to go to €100!
Ryanair to hike non-printed boarding card fee to ?100 | The Post
Ryanair to hike non-printed boarding card fee to ?100 | The Post
Noxegon - at least MOL is being upfront as to the purpose of the increase of the charge, namely a penalty to coerce people to checkin online rather than pretending it's a fair and reasonable cost
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Wind check - clearly a troll! Girona Airport middle of nowhere??? Think you'll find it in the middle of a field very close to Girona!! And as for it not looking too pretty, well thats a matter of opinion AND you're not supposed to live there anyhow so don't be so tight and buy a house 
I have always preferred the smaller airport where you can park your car and walk to the terminal within a minute or two and GRO certainly fits THAT bill. Of course "spotters" like wind check prefer to get the big airport once in a lifetime holiday up yer *rse experience and that's a perversion they are perfectly entitled to but lets face it, its not for the thinking man now is it?
Now as for getting to BCN let's not forget the TGV is on its way
I have always preferred the smaller airport where you can park your car and walk to the terminal within a minute or two and GRO certainly fits THAT bill. Of course "spotters" like wind check prefer to get the big airport once in a lifetime holiday up yer *rse experience and that's a perversion they are perfectly entitled to but lets face it, its not for the thinking man now is it?
Now as for getting to BCN let's not forget the TGV is on its way
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"On the question of El Prat vs. Girona/Reus, what Ryanair has in its favour is the absence of a metro link to El Prat"
Yes - although construction of Line 9 will rectify that once its completed in a few years time.
Yes - although construction of Line 9 will rectify that once its completed in a few years time.
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I still don't understand how it happened so quick, but Sunday Oct 25th i got on the 2pm bus from Estacio Nord and had cleared security in Girona and was sitting in departures by 3.15pm.
It's easy to throw distances around, but an hour and 15 minutes bus station to gate is hard to argue with, I can't imagine the BCN commute to the gate being much quicker.
Four busses departed that day at 2pm, all full. The Bus to Girona was 22E, at present the El Prat Aerobus is 4.95E each way. So we're only talking a 12E difference between the two. A few posts above have mentioned the cost of the Girona bus and disregarded the cost of the El Prat bus.
It's easy to throw distances around, but an hour and 15 minutes bus station to gate is hard to argue with, I can't imagine the BCN commute to the gate being much quicker.
Four busses departed that day at 2pm, all full. The Bus to Girona was 22E, at present the El Prat Aerobus is 4.95E each way. So we're only talking a 12E difference between the two. A few posts above have mentioned the cost of the Girona bus and disregarded the cost of the El Prat bus.
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RE AENA
Aena does operate almost all commercial airports in Spain, (Ciudad Real being an exception) but Spain is split into 17 autonomous regions who I'm sure influence local airport politics. Catalunia has a particularly strong local gov.
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Barcelona Trains
I have travelled 30+ times to BCN in the last decade, mainly on Easyjet. My record from aircraft door to the railway station bar is less than 7 minutes. The train cost 70 cents each way - buy a T-10 Metro ticket, a more preferable journey than from other "Barcelona" airports.
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It's getting weird out there...
Make war, make peace, make trouble...
Btw. I apologize for predicting the future ...(note the date)
Ryanair has today (November 10) announced that it will close its six routes from December 2 after Basel Airport refused to lower its airport charges to reflect the lower fares being paid by passengers in the current recession.
This move will result in the loss of 18 weekly Basel flights, 250,000 passengers per annum and up to 250 local jobs.
Ryanair had offered Basel an additional 13 weekly flights and 200,000 new passengers which would have created 200 new jobs if the airport reduced its high charges. Basel rejected this offer and Ryanair's routes to/from Alicante, Cagliari, London (Stansted), Marseille, Porto and Stockholm (Skavsta) will cease from December 2.
Passengers affected will be emailed directly by Ryanair and provided with a full refund.
Ryanair's Stephen McNamara said: "Ryanair continues to lower fares to encourage travel, but with passengers paying lower fares airports must lower their charges - particularly high cost airports like Basel, London (Stansted) and Dublin.
"Ryanair had offered new routes, traffic and growth to Basel Airport but since they prefer to preserve their high cost base than to grow, Ryanair will now close all its Basel routes resulting in the loss of 250,000 passengers p.a. and up to 250 jobs at Basel.
"Ryanair will continue to grow at low cost airports which work with us to deliver the low fares required to keep passengers flying during this recession. Ryanair apologises to passengers affected by these cancellations and will contact them in the coming weeks to provide them with a full refund.
This move will result in the loss of 18 weekly Basel flights, 250,000 passengers per annum and up to 250 local jobs.
Ryanair had offered Basel an additional 13 weekly flights and 200,000 new passengers which would have created 200 new jobs if the airport reduced its high charges. Basel rejected this offer and Ryanair's routes to/from Alicante, Cagliari, London (Stansted), Marseille, Porto and Stockholm (Skavsta) will cease from December 2.
Passengers affected will be emailed directly by Ryanair and provided with a full refund.
Ryanair's Stephen McNamara said: "Ryanair continues to lower fares to encourage travel, but with passengers paying lower fares airports must lower their charges - particularly high cost airports like Basel, London (Stansted) and Dublin.
"Ryanair had offered new routes, traffic and growth to Basel Airport but since they prefer to preserve their high cost base than to grow, Ryanair will now close all its Basel routes resulting in the loss of 250,000 passengers p.a. and up to 250 jobs at Basel.
"Ryanair will continue to grow at low cost airports which work with us to deliver the low fares required to keep passengers flying during this recession. Ryanair apologises to passengers affected by these cancellations and will contact them in the coming weeks to provide them with a full refund.
Btw. I apologize for predicting the future ...(note the date)
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Ryanair's Stephen McNamara said: "Ryanair continues to lower fares to encourage travel, but with passengers paying lower fares airports must lower their charges - particularly high cost airports like Basel, London (Stansted) and Dublin.
Basel airport should be congratulated for standing up to Ryanair's bullying tactics.
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eu01 - I note the date of the "announcement" is tomorrow (10th November).
Is this definately happening?
I can imagine a lot of passengers booked on flights from 2nd December onwards would be concerned on reading this post, should they now go and make other arrangements?
Is this definately happening?
I can imagine a lot of passengers booked on flights from 2nd December onwards would be concerned on reading this post, should they now go and make other arrangements?
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An airport relies on airlines flying aircraft to that airport to generate income from landing fees, parking fees.
If that airplane brings passengers they get extra revenue from sales of ancillary goods and services: car parking, rental of food outlets etc.
If you run an airport you have your marketing team go out and push the benefits of operating to your airport - that's why Routes exists.
If, in the middle of a recession, your major player asks you to cut your charges in exchange for increasing your pax numbers, where does bullying come in to it?
Surely one presents a business case and if agreement can't be reached you can either retain the status quo or withdraw.
Every airport operator in Europe wants to encourage airlines to operate services to / from there: there is no mileage in flogging the proverbial dead horse. If Basel won't play, redeploy the aircraft to where the airport operators take a more balanced view.
An airport relies on airlines flying aircraft to that airport to generate income from landing fees, parking fees.
If that airplane brings passengers they get extra revenue from sales of ancillary goods and services: car parking, rental of food outlets etc.
If you run an airport you have your marketing team go out and push the benefits of operating to your airport - that's why Routes exists.
If, in the middle of a recession, your major player asks you to cut your charges in exchange for increasing your pax numbers, where does bullying come in to it?
Surely one presents a business case and if agreement can't be reached you can either retain the status quo or withdraw.
Every airport operator in Europe wants to encourage airlines to operate services to / from there: there is no mileage in flogging the proverbial dead horse. If Basel won't play, redeploy the aircraft to where the airport operators take a more balanced view.
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You will notice that a few posts (6) have been removed. All charged with politics which is not going to be tolerated, now or in the future.
I personally have not banned anyone this time but I can assure you that if anyone uses PPRuNe to abuse and such you will be gone.
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Ah, good old Ryanair. You can't beat their press releases - always good for a laugh. It's like listening to Alex Ferguson after United have lost a game.
Three of their six routes from BSL compete with easyJet - Porto, Alicante and London (if you count their STN route competing against easyJet's usually twice-daily LGW.) Bear in mind also that BSL is an easyJet base and they are not going to take intrusion into their territory without a fight. Porto is a case in point - a route set up from Ryanair's new Porto base to compete directly with easyJet. Maybe Ryanair just couldn't compete with easyJet and it had nothing to do with airport charges? Does anyone know what their load factors or yields were on their routes from BSL? Ryanair would never admit that, of course. It's always the fault of the airport, the airport operator, the regulator, whichever government happens to have offended O'Leary by not letting him fly to their country for free this week, etc etc...
All we need now is for EZS to adorn their BSL-based aircraft with "BYE BYE RYANAIR" logos!
Three of their six routes from BSL compete with easyJet - Porto, Alicante and London (if you count their STN route competing against easyJet's usually twice-daily LGW.) Bear in mind also that BSL is an easyJet base and they are not going to take intrusion into their territory without a fight. Porto is a case in point - a route set up from Ryanair's new Porto base to compete directly with easyJet. Maybe Ryanair just couldn't compete with easyJet and it had nothing to do with airport charges? Does anyone know what their load factors or yields were on their routes from BSL? Ryanair would never admit that, of course. It's always the fault of the airport, the airport operator, the regulator, whichever government happens to have offended O'Leary by not letting him fly to their country for free this week, etc etc...
All we need now is for EZS to adorn their BSL-based aircraft with "BYE BYE RYANAIR" logos!
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Bear in mind also that BSL is an easyJet base and they are not going to take intrusion into their territory without a fight.
EZ and FR have differing business models: if EZ can make it work at BSL it fits their business model. Compare EZ in Switzerland with FR's non existent presence there; it doesn't fit the model.
Horse's for courses.
I may be wrong here, but weren't EZY at EMA first (when it was Go)? The problem there was they allowed it to stagnate and never showed much interest. I was under the impression FR rolled into town after Go did, but I might be wrong. If I'm right, however, then it's not quite an equal comparison.
The difference between the two, obviously, is that when EZY closed EMA they effectively admitted it wasn't viable for them and couldn't work - a rather more dignified approach to Ryanair's system of copying and pasting old press releases berating whoever has refused to bow to their daft demands (see the Manchester Airport CEO's comments about FR effectively asking to fly there for free), and just changing a few words and names.
So not quite horses for courses.
The difference between the two, obviously, is that when EZY closed EMA they effectively admitted it wasn't viable for them and couldn't work - a rather more dignified approach to Ryanair's system of copying and pasting old press releases berating whoever has refused to bow to their daft demands (see the Manchester Airport CEO's comments about FR effectively asking to fly there for free), and just changing a few words and names.
So not quite horses for courses.
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is that when EZY closed EMA they effectively admitted it wasn't viable for them and couldn't work
i think what is wrong for Easyjet at EMA is that the midlands airports of BHX & EMA have alot of capacity plus passgers can get to North London area airports and this all added together made the base challenging especially in these times.
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