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Old 9th Aug 2013, 13:13
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Smaller regional airports that are doing better than Durham Tees Valley - Blackpool, Bournmouth, Exeter, Humberside, Inverness, Prestwich, Southend etc.
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I wouldn't exactly say Newcastle is a success story - what exactly have they achieved under their current MD? Next to nothing, in fact, under his watch they've lost a fair bit of business, it's just barely noticeable because of their size to begin with. It was the guy that was accused of corruption that made NCL a success story and that same guy is now at Leeds and seems to be delivering the goods there as that place is starting to boom.

P330, I understand what you're getting at and I agree with you, but we still seem to lack something compared to others.
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Old 9th Aug 2013, 14:25
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Good points...

I was on the verge of getting my coat when I thought I would try again to score above 'nil' points with North.....

So, the other credible airports mentioned:

Bournemouth - good comparison but I would guess that the economics of the region are much stronger than Teesside. Ceratinly Hampshire/Dorset is a wealthier area.

Blackpool - probably a good comparison actually though if you read the Blackpool news, they remain nervous on Jet2's commitment, without which I think they'd be in a very poor shape.

Humberside - Another good comparison - but hardly setting the world alight.

Southend - Look at the catchment area.

etc...

In my opinion, only Blackpool and Humberside are decent comparables and reading their local news shows just how tough things are and precarious the locals feel about their sustainability.

I'm not saying Peel are great...they're clearly far from it, but the world has changed and its going to take a lot to change our fortunes. Peel bashing won't help as Peel are only a part of the root cause of the decline.

If I was to play Armchair CEO and turn this around...I'd be focussing heavily on non-passenger revenues. The best way for the small and weak to survive in difficult times is to change and adapt - become a specialist player. We're unlikely to survive by perennially asking KLM to add a 4th flight or Thomson to add some bucket and spade routes.....that just prolongs the agony. I see three choices:

1) Invest now in becoming DIFFERENT.
2) Keep plugging away, losing money and hope for better times with the odd gains and losses in routes in the meantime.
3) Give up and sell your investment.

We seem to be on track 2 with the best hope we can become a Humberside or a Blackpool (if we survive that long).

How many points do I get this time?
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Old 9th Aug 2013, 15:00
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P330 - douze points

There is a (possibly mythical) story told to students in business schools in marketing classes about a company that around 1900 made buggy whips used by a driver to tell the horses to get going and start to pull a carriage. The company was renowned for making the highest quality buggy whips, valued by connoisseurs far and wide. Unfortunately, Karl Benz invented a thing called the automobile, Henry Ford became very good at manufacturing for the masses, and the buggy whip company eventually folded

If the CEO of the buggy whip manufacturer had broadened out a little and moved into the "starter device" business, making first starter handles, and then ignition systems, and retained their qality ethos, the company's history could have been quite different...


On a separate note, you may be aware that the new CEO of Flybe has done a boardroom rejig and initiated a major review of Flybe's operations. I note that a one-way flight from DTV to Jersey *tomorrow* can be purchased for £61, and the following Saturday for £51. I note also that Easyjet this year began flying Newcastle-Jersey 2x weekly. Anyone wish to conjecture as to whether the DTV-Jersey route will be around for summer 2014 ?

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Old 9th Aug 2013, 15:11
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Nil points to Peel.

Nil points Peel.

They should give it back to the local people (councils) for the £500k which Peel paid ten years ago.

Simple, and the public would at least still own the land and not some greedy company who have never been interested in the place.
Peel only bought VAS out when the press and MP's began to look at what was occuring down at DTV.
Not much happening from what I can see, except the odd tumbleweed being blown about.
I did note there was some sort of drilling going on down near the old gym hangar, they havent started Fracking have they?
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Old 9th Aug 2013, 15:19
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they havent started Fracking have they?
While much of the North East is beautiful.... the area around DTV really does tick the box as being desolate. Maybe Lord Howell had a point....


des·o·late /ˈdesəlit/

Adjective
(of a place)
  1. Deserted and devoid of inhabitants.
  2. Barren and lifeless.
  3. Made unfit for habitation or use.
  4. Dismal or dreary.
  5. Sad, forlorn and hopeless.

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Old 9th Aug 2013, 15:27
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Douze...

From zero to douze in 4 posts....I like it.

David...the example you give is the perfect analogy. One thing that MME is right now is small....that means if it chooses a change, invest and adapt strategy, it is more agile and able to do it. There has to be the will, the vision, the market and the investment to make this happen. Are Peel prepared to do this? Well, they have the money which is usually the scarce resource. They presumably have successful people in their organsiation as they're not a small and shabby outfit. Much of the ingredients *could* be there......

The problem is....most on here want the future to be a bigger, better, passenger airport facility and are upset we're not as big as our neighbours. Sadly, I don't think this will ever happen...or even get close to happening, no matter who our owners are. However...we could become "better" (make more money in P&L terms - this is a business afterall) than our neighbours by being different to them.

We're the corner shop to Newcastle's Tesco. We can't and shouldn't try to compete. Instead, we should turn our corner shop into a "farm" shop; let kids come and grow their own food on our land; sell local produce; play soothing pipe music down the aisles....

I'm off on a tangent....but you get my drift. The future is not looking up the road in envy and trying to beat them....it is something completely different. I just hope our owners are on this track behind closed doors.....and their plans will soon be revealed...
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Old 9th Aug 2013, 18:21
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Points

Re P330's post:
"Are Peel prepared to do this?
Well, they have the money which is usually the scarce resource.
They presumably have successful people in their organsiation as they're not a small and shabby outfit.
Much of the ingredients *could* be there....."

I think most on this site know that Peel are builders, not of airports, but what they do with the land after they obtain an airfield... its all in the funny handshakes and not what you know, its who you know... as with the certain councillors on the board

The P doesnt stand for Peel does it?

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If your really wanting to think different. Why not extend the runway by at least double , And offer it all up to Branson as the Uk base for Virgin Galactic :P
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They don't want to to extend the runway, just loop it so we can carry on going round and round in the same circles....
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Old 9th Aug 2013, 22:06
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They should Have Developed Elvington. It has a huge runway
Large population nr by.
Might have Done better than Mme
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Old 9th Aug 2013, 22:12
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Is there any aircraft in current production that MME cannot accept?
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Old 10th Aug 2013, 00:10
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Lancelot37 - yes and no, we can take the 747 as most will know we have on many occasions, but not if it's full, this may only relate to the cargo variant. We can land the A380 but it wouldn't get off the runway. Not sure about Antonov's, we've taken the 124 a couple of times but I'm guessing the 225 wouldn't stand a chance.
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Old 10th Aug 2013, 12:23
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Runway material

Its well known in the village that when the runway was constructed they used surplus ash material as a cheap filler from the nearby ICI plant.

The ash is causing it to slowly sink according to ex airport workers. Dont know how far its sinking per year but probably not much. Peel tend to only patch the taxi ways, or only resurface the centre part of taxi ways due to the cost.

Elvington was used as a standby for the space shuttle flights incase they needed to return in an emergency due to its length. Top gear also use it sometimes, but the hamster Hammond tends to wander off line.
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Old 12th Aug 2013, 03:52
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A. ICI is not nearby.
2. Ash has never been a major by product at any Teesside ICI Plant.
C. I have never heard so much rubbish in my life.
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1, 2, 3, or ABC ?

Parmmmoo Did you mean
A
B
C or 1, 2, 3 ?

I know it was 3.52am when you typed your A, 2, C,

Ash is what was mentioned and the ex worker has more knowledge than you unless you also worked there at the time?
The material may have another technical name but it was a by-product of ICI and used as landfill under the tarmac.

DTV is looking busy this week, the rich have arrived in their private jets for the glorious 12th. Tweety pie watch out.

ps, you can see the ICI chimneys from DTV if you look east. Its down the road in Billingham.

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Old 12th Aug 2013, 22:43
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DTV may be getting a new council director as there has been a vote of no confidence in the Redcar Council Leader George at the local Labour branch.
George Dunning: Motion of no confidence in council leader over handling of theatre plans for Guisborough - Gazette Live

Wonder how much Peel pay these council directors?
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Old 14th Aug 2013, 11:03
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Sycamore scrapping

The Sycamore scrapping company appear to be doing very well.
Their latest 320 arrived to be scrapped. What happens to the body? Is it melted down for the alloy?

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Old 15th Aug 2013, 12:45
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Peel airport latest vacancies - £6.63 per hour.

Laterst Peel airport jobs. Now form an orderly queue.

Shame the Trade Marketing Job has closed today.
Robin Hood Airport

£6.63p per hour for one post
Current Vacancies


Robin Hood Airport Doncaster Sheffield is part of Peel Airports, which also includes Durham Tees Valley Airport.

Details of current vacancies for Robin Hood Airport Doncaster Sheffield can be found on this page when vacancies are available.

Alternatively, if you’re looking for work across the wider airport group and are in a position to commute or relocate, you may find other vacancies of interest on the Durham Tees Valley Airport website.
Cargo Business Development Manager

Reporting to the Head of Aviation Development, you will be responsible for developing Doncaster Sheffield Airport as a leading freight hub to achieve profitable and sustainable cargo and general aviation related business and explore such opportunities for Durham Tees Valley Airport, in order to maximise revenue whilst minimising costs.
Competitive Salary, plus bonus, Company Car & benefits.
Read more | Closing date: 28th August 2013
Aerodrome Air Traffic Controller Officer/Trainee Air Traffic Control Officer

Vantage Air Traffic Service Ltd is seeking to recruit an Aerodrome Air Traffic Control Officer (ATCO) or a Trainee Air Traffic Control Officer to join the existing team at Robin Hood Airport Doncaster Sheffield.
Salary: Aerodrome ATCO: 36,069.68 - 41,279.96 (dependant on experience). Trainee ATCO: £20,604.00 - £25,755.00
Read more | Closing date: 21st August 2013
Temporary Air Services Assistant

Immediate start required. Contract Completion Date: 31st October 2013. £6.63 per hour.
Read more | Closing date: 16th August 2013
Trade Marketing Executive

Reporting to the Head of Marketing & Communications you will be responsible for the day to day sales relationship with the Travel Trade and key Corporates across both Airports’ catchment areas.
Read more | Closing date: 15th August 2013
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What do you get if you pay peanuts?

It's obvious from those levels of pay that they don't want the airport to succeed.

You can get that much sweeping the roads. It says a lot about Peel and their intentions.
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