DURHAM TEES VALLEY AIRPORT - 5
highwide - yes the MME-AMS route is down 12% during January in terms of passenger numbers, but the number of flights operated is down 17%. This is because of KL operating a reduced service in the 1st week of January and also because of lousy weather later in the month. Passengers per KL flight operated seem slightly increased which is to be expected when number of flights reduces. It is quite possible that come Easter and warmer months, we may start to see leisure passengers transferring custom from KLM to Easyjet at Newcastle
I agree that the increase on NCL-ABZ versus a decrease on MME-ABZ is concerning.
If you look at the Fodtva website you can go through all the records of which flights operated and when, including diversions.
I agree that the increase on NCL-ABZ versus a decrease on MME-ABZ is concerning.
If you look at the Fodtva website you can go through all the records of which flights operated and when, including diversions.
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Quote yes the MME-AMS route is down 12% during January in terms of passenger numbers, but the number of flights operated is down 17%. This is because of KL operating a reduced service in the 1st week of January and also because of lousy weather later in the month.
thats what I hinted at..why a reduced frequency..obvious answer..no demand?
lousy weather...again..staffing/equipment to clear or wrong snow?
I know a lot of guys try quite rightly to defend the operation of the airport..my argument is Peel need to put more resources of all kinds in to help these people.Air show would have been a start! They have to show the mean business-no ?
thats what I hinted at..why a reduced frequency..obvious answer..no demand?
lousy weather...again..staffing/equipment to clear or wrong snow?
I know a lot of guys try quite rightly to defend the operation of the airport..my argument is Peel need to put more resources of all kinds in to help these people.Air show would have been a start! They have to show the mean business-no ?
Jan 1st was a Tuesday. Plenty of large corporates were operating at reduced staffing levels until Friday 4 Jan. The KL schedule resumed as normal on Mon 7 January. Some of the weather cancellations were because of snow at Amsterdam, and flights to Leeds diverted into MME.
Yes, Teesside should have lots of snow kit to show it means business, but for a few days of snow per year, the extra passenger revenues do not justify the capital expenditure, particularly when other airports close as well.
If I wanted to go from Darlington to Amsterdam any date in January or February, my first choice airport would be Newcastle, regardless of how much noise MME make about snow kit - nobody would believe MME's claim of resiliency matching an airport 25 times the size
Yes, Teesside should have lots of snow kit to show it means business, but for a few days of snow per year, the extra passenger revenues do not justify the capital expenditure, particularly when other airports close as well.
If I wanted to go from Darlington to Amsterdam any date in January or February, my first choice airport would be Newcastle, regardless of how much noise MME make about snow kit - nobody would believe MME's claim of resiliency matching an airport 25 times the size
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'major' New Development for DTVA (MME)
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This is exactly the sort of thing MME should be doing, attracting as much complementary business as they can to spread the fixed cost base. Passenger numbers aren't everything!
Isn’t it the case that Peel has no real interest in the aviation side of Tees Valley Airport but regards it as piece of real estate it can exploit?
I wouldn’t deny that we would like to maximise the opportunities of the site and assets around it. If you go into Manchester Airport you see Airport City which has enterprise zone status helping to feed off the airport and invest money back in the airport itself. That is the type of sensible business proposition we want here. To suggest that we would do this at the expense of the airport itself would be incorrect. Our strongest desire is to make the airport successful and we have to make is viable as soon as possible.
I wouldn’t deny that we would like to maximise the opportunities of the site and assets around it. If you go into Manchester Airport you see Airport City which has enterprise zone status helping to feed off the airport and invest money back in the airport itself. That is the type of sensible business proposition we want here. To suggest that we would do this at the expense of the airport itself would be incorrect. Our strongest desire is to make the airport successful and we have to make is viable as soon as possible.
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I agree. Things like scrapping/parting out, engineering/maintenance could bring useful work & revenue to Teesside. If the guy can make it work, don't turn up your nose at it. A diversity of work is a good thing!
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I believe the plan is to get more firms like Sycamore and Weston and Cobham etc in, then when they do build passenger numbers back up, they have something to fall back on should it ever go wrong again.
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That's me in the photo and I'm not sure I'm happy it being on here but never-mind.
As it goes, we all had a damn good laugh doing it. Us volunteers allowed airport staff to concentrate on airside areas which in turn kept the airport open more than it would have been last year and the work we did / banter we shared with the pax improved their experience no end.
I wouldn't have accepted pay if they'd offered it.
As it goes, we all had a damn good laugh doing it. Us volunteers allowed airport staff to concentrate on airside areas which in turn kept the airport open more than it would have been last year and the work we did / banter we shared with the pax improved their experience no end.
I wouldn't have accepted pay if they'd offered it.
Beafer, living where you do you should of gotten yourself down and given them a hand.
Can anyone say how much money airports make per passenger there was talk that some airports make nothing only taking money from shops and carparking.
Can anyone say how much money airports make per passenger there was talk that some airports make nothing only taking money from shops and carparking.
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Already covered in post 2506 above, but also covered in today's (27 February 2013) Northern Echo
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People seem to think Sycamore is going to take-over the whole airport, yeah sure it will hopefully become a fairly big operation, but it's only one operation.
And as for the airport closing, it would be pointless as the site would still look the same in 20, 50, 100+ years time as there's nothing else you can legally do with the land
And as for the airport closing, it would be pointless as the site would still look the same in 20, 50, 100+ years time as there's nothing else you can legally do with the land
DTVAirport - were the airport to genuinely close and permanently lose all ATC, I find it very difficult to believe the land would remain dormant for 100 years - either the freeholder or the council would presumably step in and do something. If action needs to be taken in Whitehall, the Govt in power will act just to show they are helping to reduce unemployment.
what spin from KLM and the airport? The route is doing well, a 2-3 passengers per flight increase is what was targeted by both parties and my sources tell me it has in fact earned us a fourth daily rotation from April - just a rumour I must add therefore take with a pinch of salt, nor is there anything on the KLM website, but the source is usually good
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Heard nothing more, looks like the easyJet NCL-AMS route may have put paid to it, having said that I wouldn't consider our route under threat by any means despite the pax reduction, we've competed successfully with LCCs at NCL on the route for many years before now so why couldn't we again?
fa2fi - from the January CAA stats it looks like the KLM route is largely keeping market share amongst what are likely non-leisure passengers - at least when you factor in cancellations due to weather. Will be interesting in mid May to compare April 2013 against April 2012 and see the views of leisure travellers in the North East
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Interesting thread this.
MME is by far my nearest and most convenient airport. I travel regularly with work but MME is consistently £300 more than the same route on KLM from NCL or LBA. Last minute flights are cost prohibitive - a couple of weeks ago I got quoted £1150 for a return economy ticket to Stockholm.
I doubt Eastyjet's new NCL-AMS route is really impacting MME as the majority of customers on the MME-AMS route appear to be flying on elsewhere via KLM. I think a bigger threat is SAS new route NCL-CPH, especially for those flyers going to Scandinavia.
KLM are still generally getting my business but I will only fly from MME if I can book 4 weeks or more in advance to secure a good price.
MME is by far my nearest and most convenient airport. I travel regularly with work but MME is consistently £300 more than the same route on KLM from NCL or LBA. Last minute flights are cost prohibitive - a couple of weeks ago I got quoted £1150 for a return economy ticket to Stockholm.
I doubt Eastyjet's new NCL-AMS route is really impacting MME as the majority of customers on the MME-AMS route appear to be flying on elsewhere via KLM. I think a bigger threat is SAS new route NCL-CPH, especially for those flyers going to Scandinavia.
KLM are still generally getting my business but I will only fly from MME if I can book 4 weeks or more in advance to secure a good price.
