DURHAM TEES VALLEY AIRPORT - 5
Bad news from DTV
We were led to believe by some that an announcement would
be made re 'some bad news' in the New year. Nothing forthcoming so hopefully its gone away!!
However...seems a little strange that KLM seem to have...for the moment stopped the third departure to AMS...is that it ? or just Xmas schedules...over to the guys who know
be made re 'some bad news' in the New year. Nothing forthcoming so hopefully its gone away!!
However...seems a little strange that KLM seem to have...for the moment stopped the third departure to AMS...is that it ? or just Xmas schedules...over to the guys who know
As 1st Jan was a Tuesday many people in offices took the whole of this week as part of their annual holiday allowance. Furthermore after returning from holiday people usually want a day or two at their desk before flying off to meet customers. Wait until the middle of next week and things should revert to normal.
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DTV KLM Competition
I assumed that the announcement was going to be about Thomson - DTV is missing from their online booking for 2014. Mention of KLM cutting back led me to look at Easyjet prices for their new Newcastle to Amsterdam service - picking a random date: Wednesday March 6th 2013 Easyjet were offering a flight for £27-49 at 17-00. On the KLM website for DTV to Amsterdam on the same day at 17-10 £433 was the asking price! Presumably competition on the Newcastle - Amsterdam route will affect KLM at Newcastle, but the northern part of DTV's catchment area will surely take a hit was well!
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Peel robust results
Peel profit results. I hope they will be turning DTV into the flagship airport of the north east with all these spare millions 
> News > Robust results for Peel's property and investment arm - Place North West
What does the DTV chairman think?
> News > Robust results for Peel's property and investment arm - Place North West
What does the DTV chairman think?
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I think we can assume with the passenger numbers that Peel's profits didn't come from the airport. Just as well they are doing well elsewhere, it means they find a way to continue to finance the losses and DTVA stays open. Imagine if it was owned by a loss making holding company.
I think Peel might have other potential projects which could with capital investment as well - I very much doubt DTV is the only entry on the "what shall we invest in during 2013 ?" list...
One glance at Peel's website shows that they are primarily a property company. They have lots of major property assets, many of which will be huge contributors to their bottom line. I suspect DTVA is a very small and fairly insignificant part of their portfolio.
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£55 million Peel profits
With Peel profits standing at £55.2 million, do they really need to keep the £6 passenger tax at DTV?
I know its the land that Peel wanted, but if they put these profits into DTV infrastructure and reducing operator costs it may help DTV stay around for another 50 years.
Still can't believe the councils gave the place away for £500 thousand
Did anyone announce what the bad news was, or did I miss it again while away in the sand pit?
I know its the land that Peel wanted, but if they put these profits into DTV infrastructure and reducing operator costs it may help DTV stay around for another 50 years.
Still can't believe the councils gave the place away for £500 thousand
Did anyone announce what the bad news was, or did I miss it again while away in the sand pit?
Durham Tees Valley Airport reports more passengers on key route (From The Northern Echo)
Report on local radio also states that for the year as a whole Aberdeen and Amsterdam are up, but overall figures are down. It appears that there is a core of business users who are making money for Eastern and KLM (as can be seen by the recent holiday period, when this group doesn't fly the airlines don't).
Key now seems to be expanding from this core base or making enough from other activities on the airfield to keep going.
As regards Peels profits, if DTVA can put forward a business case that will give a decent return on investment then they might get some - otherwise its minimising the losses until the ecenomy turns.
Report on local radio also states that for the year as a whole Aberdeen and Amsterdam are up, but overall figures are down. It appears that there is a core of business users who are making money for Eastern and KLM (as can be seen by the recent holiday period, when this group doesn't fly the airlines don't).
Key now seems to be expanding from this core base or making enough from other activities on the airfield to keep going.
As regards Peels profits, if DTVA can put forward a business case that will give a decent return on investment then they might get some - otherwise its minimising the losses until the ecenomy turns.
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There in May lie the key to improvements n new routes. Model the airport with a leaning toward the business traveller. With all the industry in Teesside and businesses around north Yorkshire. It might benefit from other routes. To places like Frankfurt or Paris. Plus a restoration of the London route . And maybe some more offerings from eastern airwAys. (How about a direct flight to Sumburgh ). The latter surely would work for the huge sites in Teesside. Perhaps it doesn't need to be all about bucket and spade routes !
KLM and Eastern operate what is basically a minimum schedule with their smallest aircraft - is the demand there for anything else? Also business pax are renowned for generating little revenue in the terminal.
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'Key now seems to be expanding from this core base or making enough from other activities on the airfield to keep going.'
So SWBKCB you put a post up suggesting expansion through the business user and then shoot the next person who follows your point!
Two steps forward one step back! It's also amusing that poeple with a Northumberland/Newcastle location are always the first to put the place down! Yes they are the smallest aircraft in the fleet but likewise there are many routes all over the place that use 'the smallest aircraft in the fleet'
You keyboard warriors love to troll!
So SWBKCB you put a post up suggesting expansion through the business user and then shoot the next person who follows your point!
Two steps forward one step back! It's also amusing that poeple with a Northumberland/Newcastle location are always the first to put the place down! Yes they are the smallest aircraft in the fleet but likewise there are many routes all over the place that use 'the smallest aircraft in the fleet'
You keyboard warriors love to troll!
God, what a persecution complex!
I meant expanding from that core base of business customers by expanding into different types of airline service or other types of aviation activity (preferably both) rather than cannibalising the existing customer base by introducing competing services - this is obviously enough to keep KL and T3 happy, but looks small (hence the minimum service comments). Even in the good times has MME had services to two continental hubs? And lets face it, there's no prospect of a London service unless there are drastic changes in aviation policy.
Keep up there at the back - engage brain first...
I meant expanding from that core base of business customers by expanding into different types of airline service or other types of aviation activity (preferably both) rather than cannibalising the existing customer base by introducing competing services - this is obviously enough to keep KL and T3 happy, but looks small (hence the minimum service comments). Even in the good times has MME had services to two continental hubs? And lets face it, there's no prospect of a London service unless there are drastic changes in aviation policy.
Keep up there at the back - engage brain first...
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Snow at DTV
just a thought..looking at the FODTV site and their request for snow clearance help from members..do these guys have clearance to go on the apron and runways? or will they just clear the paths outside the terminal?
How does it work with health and safety etc and security clearances?
Onion calm down I see where the other guy is coming from..
great news on KLM and passengers lets up its onwards and upwards for the next few months ? 3 flights per day will help those figures..
How does it work with health and safety etc and security clearances?
Onion calm down I see where the other guy is coming from..
great news on KLM and passengers lets up its onwards and upwards for the next few months ? 3 flights per day will help those figures..
onycrowle -
Frankfurt - why would Lufthansa want to open a MME-FRA route when even Newcastle can't support a Frankfurt route and has to make do with just a route to Dusseldorf ?
Paris - Air France already operate a Paris route from Newcastle. AF are the same company as KLM. Given the large hub nature and closer proximity of Amsterdam to DTV rather than Paris (Amsterdam is almost 30% nearer) and the fact that Newcastle is not that far by land from Teesside, would a currently weak Air France / Cityjet *really* want to open a MME-PAR route and cannibalise an existing route ? Flybe also do a codeshare on the Newcastle-Paris route as well
London - given the train service from Darlington (every 30 mins, takes about 2h35) to King's Cross, the only London airport I can see working is Heathrow either by BA or with a BA flightcode. With no R3 in sight, BA can make far more cash by using slots to places like Chengdu than Teesside given they already fly to both Leeds and Newcastle.
The only passenger routes I think might work when there's an 800 lb gorilla up the A1, are point-to-point routes. That means either LCCs - perhaps Norwegian, suggesting to Wizz to give it another go or full scale grovelling to the golden harp - or going for holiday routes and charters. Alternatively, perhaps a cargo niche, or some other specialist aviation related activity.
Frankfurt - why would Lufthansa want to open a MME-FRA route when even Newcastle can't support a Frankfurt route and has to make do with just a route to Dusseldorf ?
Paris - Air France already operate a Paris route from Newcastle. AF are the same company as KLM. Given the large hub nature and closer proximity of Amsterdam to DTV rather than Paris (Amsterdam is almost 30% nearer) and the fact that Newcastle is not that far by land from Teesside, would a currently weak Air France / Cityjet *really* want to open a MME-PAR route and cannibalise an existing route ? Flybe also do a codeshare on the Newcastle-Paris route as well
London - given the train service from Darlington (every 30 mins, takes about 2h35) to King's Cross, the only London airport I can see working is Heathrow either by BA or with a BA flightcode. With no R3 in sight, BA can make far more cash by using slots to places like Chengdu than Teesside given they already fly to both Leeds and Newcastle.
The only passenger routes I think might work when there's an 800 lb gorilla up the A1, are point-to-point routes. That means either LCCs - perhaps Norwegian, suggesting to Wizz to give it another go or full scale grovelling to the golden harp - or going for holiday routes and charters. Alternatively, perhaps a cargo niche, or some other specialist aviation related activity.
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Out of interest didn't eastern have more routes from ME originally?.
And to say an airport won't or shouldn't get a route. Just because the one up the road has or can't get similar is hardly tge kind of mindset that brings those new routes!.
As for going 'crawling' to certain airports , it's hardly an ideal solution.
And to say an airport won't or shouldn't get a route. Just because the one up the road has or can't get similar is hardly tge kind of mindset that brings those new routes!.
As for going 'crawling' to certain airports , it's hardly an ideal solution.
onyx - it would be nice if Delta or United were to open a route from Teesside to JFK or Newark. Alas wishing this were the case is probably somewhat unrealistic. The point of my post was to discuss what I believe is and is not realistic for MME and my reasons as to my opinion.
I don't think routes to London, Paris or Frankfurt will appear at MME for the time being, and I believe airport management would be wasting their time in trying to make such a thing happen.
I believe that increased frequency on or additional beach routes or anything to do with charter airlines is both more credible and more likely to be commercially sustainable for the airline involved. As far as I know, the only scheduled beach route next summer from Teesside will be a once weekly to Mallorca. Core beach routes like Malaga, Ibiza, Alicante, Tenerife, Greece and Turkey just don't appear at Teesside at all throughout the summer.
Traffic for 2012 is likely to come in at around 167,000 passengers for the year - only a tiny fraction more than passed through the airport 40 years ago. For every 1 passenger at Teesside, Newcastle sees 26 passengers. MME has a lot of catching up to do even on the most basics of routes.
If Teesside can rebuild its passenger base over a few years to maybe 300,000 it will then be in a position to start talking credibly about some more year-round scheduled routes.
I don't think routes to London, Paris or Frankfurt will appear at MME for the time being, and I believe airport management would be wasting their time in trying to make such a thing happen.
I believe that increased frequency on or additional beach routes or anything to do with charter airlines is both more credible and more likely to be commercially sustainable for the airline involved. As far as I know, the only scheduled beach route next summer from Teesside will be a once weekly to Mallorca. Core beach routes like Malaga, Ibiza, Alicante, Tenerife, Greece and Turkey just don't appear at Teesside at all throughout the summer.
Traffic for 2012 is likely to come in at around 167,000 passengers for the year - only a tiny fraction more than passed through the airport 40 years ago. For every 1 passenger at Teesside, Newcastle sees 26 passengers. MME has a lot of catching up to do even on the most basics of routes.
If Teesside can rebuild its passenger base over a few years to maybe 300,000 it will then be in a position to start talking credibly about some more year-round scheduled routes.