DURHAM TEES VALLEY AIRPORT - 5
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paarmo - your last post contradicts itself, you state that no demand exists for housing or industrial units in the area. Later on in the same post you state that Teeside is booming which would in indicate demand for both housing and industrial units. Thats normally the case in an area that is booming
Tesco/Stobbart is a complete non starter as Teeside is nowhere near any Tesco distribution centre.
We need to admit demand simply does not exist as present for a airport at Teeside at the moment, if it did then this debate would not be going on. The only future lies in a private run airfield with limited opening times, with the associated limited services this would bring.
Lets move on and leave the running of an International airport to your neighbours North and South of you that know what they are doing
Tesco/Stobbart is a complete non starter as Teeside is nowhere near any Tesco distribution centre.
We need to admit demand simply does not exist as present for a airport at Teeside at the moment, if it did then this debate would not be going on. The only future lies in a private run airfield with limited opening times, with the associated limited services this would bring.
Lets move on and leave the running of an International airport to your neighbours North and South of you that know what they are doing
ncleflights, you are very wrong about TESCO they have a 360,000 sq ft distribution centre at Teesport which is served by Stobbart.
Stobbart also hauls the freight from the ASDA depot.
Stobbart also hauls the freight from the ASDA depot.
Paarmo, good start then it all goes Pete Tong...
Agreed - but unfortunately airlines can't seem to make money out of it as an airport?
Really? What's in it for them? Jet2 already have substantial bases just to the North and to the South. If LBA is that inaccessible and the weather that bad, why do far more airlines and passengers chose it over MME? And if they really feel these problems are that bad isn't DSA a better alternative? (next time, why not chuck in the short runway as well?!)
Does ANYBODY believe Stobarts speil about using CAX to distribute perishable goods etc to the North, Scotland etc - they want CAX for a road freight distribution centre and the rest is just window dressing - if they don't get it they move to the North West (Widnes, Warrington) before the North East.
Again - why would they? Cost of relocating to somewhere like HUY/DSA/PIK as against any potential investment?
What's the most flights a week TOM have ever run out of MME - if they had reaped the rewards wouldn't they have more now? Also goes against there current policy of retrenching into the major airports and reducing presence at the minor regionals (and I'll not even mention COV and DSA...)
Housing on the site? 2 chances fat and no. There would be huge problems getting sewage away from the site which would result in the main sewers being upgraded to an enormous size which would mean Middleton St George being cut off from the world for 6/9 months. The cost implications are also enormous. Factor in the location of the site which is not a commute to anywhere of any great size, the current available housing stock in Teesside and South Duham and the land bank of the major house builder's both still operating and also bankrupt together with the parlous state of the economy and also the fact that the site is a featureless piece of flat land surrounded by more flat land then housing is a non starter for at least the next 15/20yrs.
Light industrial units ? There are enough of these within 30 minutes of the airport to keep that part of the market going for the next 15/20 years again.
Major industrial complex? Not unless Nissan want to relocate.
This leaves you with either an airport or a piece of scrubland.
Light industrial units ? There are enough of these within 30 minutes of the airport to keep that part of the market going for the next 15/20 years again.
Major industrial complex? Not unless Nissan want to relocate.
This leaves you with either an airport or a piece of scrubland.
Jet2 in cooperation with Stobart? It might just work. Jet 2 are based at an inaccessible airport with terrible weather and Stobart cannot get planning permission at Carlisle.
Teesport is absolutely booming at the moment and Stobart may see a link into there with perishable goods as he already ships for Tesco and they have a decent import presence there.
If Cobham have any spare cash then they might just be tempted to buy in to a joint venture.
Whenever Thomson's have run decent destinations at a decent price they have always reaped the rewards from Teesside.A joint venture may look at this and their own interests and think that it might be the start of something very profitable and stategic for them.
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N707ZS - sorry I am not wrong I should have phrased my post better to DTV is nowhere near a Fresh Food Tesco Distribution centre.
Teesport is primarily a non food operation. See Tescos own info on Teesport when it opened
"The £130m Teesport Distribution Centre is the retailer’s first purpose-built import storage facility. It will replace its existing non-food distribution centre in Coventry"
Need I point out supermarkets do not need to air freight in non perishable goods if they did the overheads would soon put them out of business!!!
Teesport is primarily a non food operation. See Tescos own info on Teesport when it opened
"The £130m Teesport Distribution Centre is the retailer’s first purpose-built import storage facility. It will replace its existing non-food distribution centre in Coventry"
Need I point out supermarkets do not need to air freight in non perishable goods if they did the overheads would soon put them out of business!!!
FRL Falcons
DTV makes an interesting point re. the removal of the Falcons.
Surely someone from FRL reads this and can give us all an insight as to why(for the first time ever?) they have all gone to bournemouth for the Xmas period?
Im sure there is a simple explanation.........the cynics amongst us may say that they dont want their aircraft stranded if a sudden airfield closure comes along?
Or maybe after the fiasco of the last couple of years with the state of the airfield and the deicing problems,they are playing safe....
or maybe its just a maintenance issue and we are all now paranoid!
Please someone...put us out of our misery..
Surely someone from FRL reads this and can give us all an insight as to why(for the first time ever?) they have all gone to bournemouth for the Xmas period?
Im sure there is a simple explanation.........the cynics amongst us may say that they dont want their aircraft stranded if a sudden airfield closure comes along?
Or maybe after the fiasco of the last couple of years with the state of the airfield and the deicing problems,they are playing safe....
or maybe its just a maintenance issue and we are all now paranoid!
Please someone...put us out of our misery..
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"Need I point out supermarkets do not need to air freight in non perishable goods if they did the overheads would soon put them out of business!!"
As I have already pointed out previously, because the shipping lines are slow steaming and reducing frequencies, and product life cycles on fashion and some electricals are so short, the UK inbound supply chains are increasingly turning to air transport to cover the demand spikes whenever a particular product line goes up in demand. This would potentially fit exactly with the non-food DC's at Teesport. However, it is doubtful whether there would be sufficient volume demand for a dedicated long haul freighter into MME - more likely into EMA then road to the Teesport DC's.
As I have already pointed out previously, because the shipping lines are slow steaming and reducing frequencies, and product life cycles on fashion and some electricals are so short, the UK inbound supply chains are increasingly turning to air transport to cover the demand spikes whenever a particular product line goes up in demand. This would potentially fit exactly with the non-food DC's at Teesport. However, it is doubtful whether there would be sufficient volume demand for a dedicated long haul freighter into MME - more likely into EMA then road to the Teesport DC's.
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Been reading a report that GBRF have won a contract to operate a rail freight service from southampton to cleveland on behalf of ASDA.
the service will carry 100,000 tones of food for asda which would have gone by road....
could they turn the airport into a major depot with lots of rail sidings for ASDA.
info from the RAIL NEWS...
the service will carry 100,000 tones of food for asda which would have gone by road....
could they turn the airport into a major depot with lots of rail sidings for ASDA.
info from the RAIL NEWS...
could they turn the airport into a major depot with lots of rail sidings for ASDA.
info from the RAIL NEWS...
info from the RAIL NEWS...
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im not saying they would but have any of us thought of the airport turning into a distrubtion centre for the north east.
We already have the railway line just need some sidings down
We have the A19 and A1 motoways
DTV to be a GA airport and the buildings to be turned into a big ware house for storage??
its just an idea as many on here think its still going to be an airport and going to improve with big airlines to base
NOTE:: manston airport been put up for sale tonight FLYBE pulls out also....
That now 2 uk airports up for sale at the same time
We already have the railway line just need some sidings down
We have the A19 and A1 motoways
DTV to be a GA airport and the buildings to be turned into a big ware house for storage??
its just an idea as many on here think its still going to be an airport and going to improve with big airlines to base
NOTE:: manston airport been put up for sale tonight FLYBE pulls out also....
That now 2 uk airports up for sale at the same time
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The Falcons have gone to Bournemouth as they can't trust DTVA to cope with any inclement weather. Snow/ice, clearing/treating and aircraft de-icing are a concern as it cost Cobham last year due to the inabilities of the airport.
The King Air's will move out as well until Cobham are satisfied they can operate from DTVA without any delays.
Falcons are on a 1 hour response time, so delays due to inadequate facilities will cost dearly. Quick response is also needed for the Calibrator King Air's. If an nav aid goes tech and needs recalibrating after repairs they need to be able to launch fairly quickly.
The King Air's will move out as well until Cobham are satisfied they can operate from DTVA without any delays.
Falcons are on a 1 hour response time, so delays due to inadequate facilities will cost dearly. Quick response is also needed for the Calibrator King Air's. If an nav aid goes tech and needs recalibrating after repairs they need to be able to launch fairly quickly.
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Been reading a report that GBRF have won a contract to operate a rail freight service from southampton to cleveland on behalf of ASDA.
the service will carry 100,000 tones of food for asda which would have gone by road....
could they turn the airport into a major depot with lots of rail sidings for ASDA.
the service will carry 100,000 tones of food for asda which would have gone by road....
could they turn the airport into a major depot with lots of rail sidings for ASDA.
I suspect that the trains will run up the ECML to Northallerton then go via Yarm to Teesport where sidings and facilities for unloading already exist.
NOTE:: manston airport been put up for sale tonight FLYBE pulls out also....
That now 2 uk airports up for sale at the same time
That now 2 uk airports up for sale at the same time
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Hipennine - I have been an analyst in the aviation business for 26 years and can assure you no major supermarket chain uses airfreight to transport fashion items or electrical goods into the UK an any sizeable quantities. Its simply too expensive to do so when the major supermarkets are trying to drive costs down.
The shipping lines are only reducing frequency and on a small scale simply because the container ships used are getting bigger.
The DTV thread appears to have become totally taken over by fantasy posters coming up with ridiculous and absurd solutions to DTVs problems.
The simple fact is we have too many regional airports in the UK. DTV will not be the last to go in the next few years
Whatever the future has for DTV I would be very surprised if any future owner kept it operating as a commercial airport. The locals don't support it and the airlines don't want to use it without both these key elements you can not succeed.
The shipping lines are only reducing frequency and on a small scale simply because the container ships used are getting bigger.
The DTV thread appears to have become totally taken over by fantasy posters coming up with ridiculous and absurd solutions to DTVs problems.
The simple fact is we have too many regional airports in the UK. DTV will not be the last to go in the next few years
Whatever the future has for DTV I would be very surprised if any future owner kept it operating as a commercial airport. The locals don't support it and the airlines don't want to use it without both these key elements you can not succeed.
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ncleflights, withot getting into willy waving, but I have been involved for 35 years as a senior practioner in supply chain management, and I can assure you that the multiples, and some of their suppliers are using airfreight for the purposes I have stated. The shipping lines are consolidating because volumes are down, and are slow steaming to reduce fuel consumption. The slow steaming on its own would take up the increased vessel capacities, but the reality is the vessels are taking longer, and the absolute number of box slots actually steaming has been reduced.
Nevertheless, none of the above is remotely likely to be a saviour for MME.
Nevertheless, none of the above is remotely likely to be a saviour for MME.
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....The King Air's will move out as well until Cobham are satisfied they can operate from DTVA without any delays.
Note I too have & continue to be totally dismissive of any projected use related to freight / distribution expansion.
It totally amazes me that all & sundry have developed total amnesia over all the previous grand schemes marketed as a prime area for DTV to expand and develop, when all that happened is that those who promoted such idea's were found to be doing nothing more than talking out of their own backsides
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Airport staff confident buyer can be found
From the Northern Echo
Constituency MP Phil Wilson met with union members and airport director Steve Gill this morning following Peel Airport Limited’s announcement it would sell its 75 per cent share in the airport.
As a result of the meetings, Mr Wilson will ask local enterprise partnership Tees Valley Unlimited to build an economic case for the airport. He is also arranging a cross-party meeting of local MPs with transport minister Theresa Villiers.
Peel Airports Limited announced it was selling its share because the airport no longer fit its portfolio plans. However, it said it was confident of finding a new buyer which would continue the airport as a going concern.
Its confidence has pleased union GMB, whose members include traffic control, fuel depot workers, baggage handlers and security staff. There are 100 employees at the airport, but another 550 indirect jobs.
Shop steward Gail Johnson said: “We are obviously disappointed (by the sale) but we’ve had a very positive meeting today. The future could be very positive. I believe that Peel Airports hopes it can sell the airport. The vibes are very positive. The airport staff’s committment is second to none. They have fought for this airport and will remain committed to it.”
Mr Wilson said: “I met with Steve Gill today to let him know that, as the MP for the airport, I will work with him and support Peel Airports’ search for a buyer who will keep the airport open. We have already heard from one airline this week talking about the need for a sustainable future for the Durham Tees Valley Airport. There is also a wider issue here about what else can be done to secure the airport’s future. I have written to the aviation minister, Theresa Villiers MP, asking for a cross-party meeting with her to meeting with Tees Valley MPs to discuss what else can be done. I have also written today to my parliamentary colleagues with Teesside seats asking them to meet in the New Year to start a campaign in favour of the sale and I call on the Local Enterprise Partnership to help build an economic case for the airport.”
Tees Valley Unlimited’s managing director Stephen Catchpole said: “The airport continues to be a major asset and TVU will continue to work with Peel Airports Limited and any subsequent owner to maximise the benefit it brings to the area.”
As a result of the meetings, Mr Wilson will ask local enterprise partnership Tees Valley Unlimited to build an economic case for the airport. He is also arranging a cross-party meeting of local MPs with transport minister Theresa Villiers.
Peel Airports Limited announced it was selling its share because the airport no longer fit its portfolio plans. However, it said it was confident of finding a new buyer which would continue the airport as a going concern.
Its confidence has pleased union GMB, whose members include traffic control, fuel depot workers, baggage handlers and security staff. There are 100 employees at the airport, but another 550 indirect jobs.
Shop steward Gail Johnson said: “We are obviously disappointed (by the sale) but we’ve had a very positive meeting today. The future could be very positive. I believe that Peel Airports hopes it can sell the airport. The vibes are very positive. The airport staff’s committment is second to none. They have fought for this airport and will remain committed to it.”
Mr Wilson said: “I met with Steve Gill today to let him know that, as the MP for the airport, I will work with him and support Peel Airports’ search for a buyer who will keep the airport open. We have already heard from one airline this week talking about the need for a sustainable future for the Durham Tees Valley Airport. There is also a wider issue here about what else can be done to secure the airport’s future. I have written to the aviation minister, Theresa Villiers MP, asking for a cross-party meeting with her to meeting with Tees Valley MPs to discuss what else can be done. I have also written today to my parliamentary colleagues with Teesside seats asking them to meet in the New Year to start a campaign in favour of the sale and I call on the Local Enterprise Partnership to help build an economic case for the airport.”
Tees Valley Unlimited’s managing director Stephen Catchpole said: “The airport continues to be a major asset and TVU will continue to work with Peel Airports Limited and any subsequent owner to maximise the benefit it brings to the area.”
DTV the prophet
well its no great suprise as DTV predicted it..the Flight calibration unit have decamped to newcastle for the xmas period.Credit dtv movements
the reason..they cant rely upon the airport remaining open due inclement weather..obviously no snow clearing planned(rewind 12 months)
not sure what KL and easten think of this?
do Peel reemburse cobhams? or do cobhams just take a hit?
also also noticed the airport is restricted opening hours until january..once it was agreat diversion airport( 2 BA B747s and the whole of LBA winter traffic) but who anyone in their right minds go there now??
the reason..they cant rely upon the airport remaining open due inclement weather..obviously no snow clearing planned(rewind 12 months)
not sure what KL and easten think of this?
do Peel reemburse cobhams? or do cobhams just take a hit?
also also noticed the airport is restricted opening hours until january..once it was agreat diversion airport( 2 BA B747s and the whole of LBA winter traffic) but who anyone in their right minds go there now??
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At least most people who have contritbuted here have one thing in common. Every man and his dog agrees that Peel have no interest in seeing DTV survive with the way the have ran it for the last few years.
Was it head office's motto to run it down and make it unattractive to most airlines? I don't suppose we will ever know?
One thing the MP's and councils should do is get together as one group with somebody actually attending meetings to monitor what is going on, and actually having a say on the airports running?
From where I am sitting nobody from the minority share holding group has had any type of say in the running of DTV.
One post mentions no new road on the south side. The road that was needed was the one that was built, and runs straight from the A66, which is a very good link road from the A19 and A1. The location of DTV is not far away from one of the main east - west hubs which ever way you look at it.
Peel thought they had got away with another Sheffield. They have been busy though, changing one company to another, and moving shares around.
Out of interest how much is the cobham contract worth? Would the BMI compo Peel are expeciting pay for that, if required?
Re the post about the water tower land and the emergency water supply. The water and electricity mains were moved years ago when the new DTV access road was put in on the other side I believe.
Could it be they wanted the whole site for other needs? Business Park or what ever? but I dont think aviation crossed their mind.
Lets hope someone with deep pockets can be tempted to buy DTV and build it up like NCL and LBA who are doing well. At least DTV doesnt have the weather problems that LBA sometimes has being on a big hill.
Come on MP's ask for an investigation into all the murky dealings that have been going on, and where is the BMI compo money?
Good luck to all the people left at the airport, and lets hope the local press can remain interested in the campaign to keep it open.
Was it head office's motto to run it down and make it unattractive to most airlines? I don't suppose we will ever know?
One thing the MP's and councils should do is get together as one group with somebody actually attending meetings to monitor what is going on, and actually having a say on the airports running?
From where I am sitting nobody from the minority share holding group has had any type of say in the running of DTV.
One post mentions no new road on the south side. The road that was needed was the one that was built, and runs straight from the A66, which is a very good link road from the A19 and A1. The location of DTV is not far away from one of the main east - west hubs which ever way you look at it.
Peel thought they had got away with another Sheffield. They have been busy though, changing one company to another, and moving shares around.
Out of interest how much is the cobham contract worth? Would the BMI compo Peel are expeciting pay for that, if required?
Re the post about the water tower land and the emergency water supply. The water and electricity mains were moved years ago when the new DTV access road was put in on the other side I believe.
Could it be they wanted the whole site for other needs? Business Park or what ever? but I dont think aviation crossed their mind.
Lets hope someone with deep pockets can be tempted to buy DTV and build it up like NCL and LBA who are doing well. At least DTV doesnt have the weather problems that LBA sometimes has being on a big hill.
Come on MP's ask for an investigation into all the murky dealings that have been going on, and where is the BMI compo money?
Good luck to all the people left at the airport, and lets hope the local press can remain interested in the campaign to keep it open.
Last edited by Northbound A1; 20th Jan 2012 at 19:54.
What DTVA needs is an ambitious new start-up, say a premium service airline aiming to link key business destinations such as LCY, etc - where's Victor when you need him?