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Old 20th Jun 2011, 00:16
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MME is likely to close.
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Old 20th Jun 2011, 09:33
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More Yawn.
Passengers arn't the B all and end all of aviation.

Scrap yard what's the problem its making money on a hangar rent parking money and hopefully jobs. For years now you have been lucky enough to see a burning trident as you line up for take off so a plane without engines on the apron isn't going to make much difference. The scrapping area is as far as I know going to be outside hangar 4.
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Old 20th Jun 2011, 13:08
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More yawn

Mr.Bloggs you seem pretty definate about MME closing..pray tell..what do you know/think/assume?

N707ZS you are right passengers are not the be all and end all..good job as we have non!

However where is the airport going to make money? dismantling aircraft? think not.That market is pretty much tied up and with ex.military bases coming on stream and companies ready to develop them then as usual..nothing much there for MME.

Freight? same applies

light aircarft? not with fuel prices as they are..have you not noticed the drop in those movements around the area?

maintenance? a slim possibility as airlines move out of Heathrow /gatwick etc due space constraints.

Any other straws out there to grab?
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Old 20th Jun 2011, 13:23
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Mr.Bloggs, I too would like to know if you're basing that comment on something you know that the rest of us don't, or was it just an foolish and wreckless comment?
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Old 20th Jun 2011, 15:05
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Where's Mr. Bloggs from-Wythenshawe, where's Manchester airport- Wythenshawe need I say more!
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Old 20th Jun 2011, 15:58
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Mr Bloggs should say more to reinforce his argument.

Lplsprog why should it be of consequence to Manchester Airport I doubt MAG consider Teeside as competition any more than Liverpool airport see Teeseide as competition as it currently stands, even if Teeside were to expand again the effect on both airports would not be significant, so his location is irrelevant that is merely mischief making, as is probably Mr. Bloggs post.

No one wants to see MME close however as has been said one wonders where the revenue will come from.
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Old 20th Jun 2011, 17:07
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I would guess that even without Passenger flights the airport could continue. Shedding the costs of the terminal, security and full ATC would still leave a viable business. If KLM were to pull out we might see just that.
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Old 20th Jun 2011, 17:28
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Viable business?

Bad bear your optimism is creditable!! just how, without,passengers,ATC and secutrity would it be a viable business?

Why not take the runway,aircraft and staff away...now that could be a goer!!
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Old 20th Jun 2011, 18:36
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highwideandugly, Carlisle and Coventry are still in business and both had a few passengers at one time. It would take more than the loss of a few passenger flights to see the place turned into a housing estate. I would imagine that if passenger numbers drop off it would not be cost effective to limp along with only the odd Jetstream and harsh decisions would be made, but the airport will almost certainly survive in some form. Do you think MME would close completely if passenger flights ended?

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Old 20th Jun 2011, 18:55
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Do you need pax flights to be known as an "airport" as presumably oposed to an "airfield" ?.
One hopes we never get down to the level of "DTV airfield" though there would then presumably be no commercial reason why one couldn't then drop the DTV in favour of Teesside/MME & start all over again
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Old 20th Jun 2011, 21:26
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Ive not quite worked out who the Peel company PR guys are on this site, and I sympathise with their task, not that they are listening anyway. Nice try with the flash mob. Pity no trains stop there. Might have been a few more if the train actually stopped, but it doesnt very often. Once a week IIRC. The train does go to Manchester airport. Regularly. Once an hour peak times. This makes a huge difference. If I book a flight, I dont want to find that the hardest part of my journey is to the airport. With MME public transport is nonexistent, and taxis are the only alternative, if there are any available, which there arent often, and its a 25 to 35 quid touch to get to Middlesbrough or Stockton. I know every kilo of my luggage and if I can spare myself some weightlifting by taking the train right past MME to Manchester then I will do so. As the cheapest return ticket from Manchester Airport I have found, from Thornaby, is 45 quid its economic to get the train over the dreary pennines. Im not even going to mention how organised Manchester airport is, and I dont have to pay a freakin machine money to be let out of the freakin airport. And I can get something to eat and drink in Manchester. I dont consider vending machines as anything more than last ditch survival measures, which is the main source of hydration and nutrition at MME. Especially as the last time I was in MME the machine was almost empty and when I put money in, the machine didnt actually work. I know this isnt MME problem, as its an outsourced provider, but it adds to the whole unpleasantness.

The machines to pay to exit MME was a wonderful scheme. An airport which has very little to encourage people to go there adds an airport tax in possibly the most offensive way possible. Nice one.

One day I will be arrested for baring my backside at MME as the train passes by from Manchester without stopping.


Not a rant, but possibly a howl, and ive not repeated my other dislikes about this airport, but if I can advise others from using this airport, I will, and tenaciously so, until the airport either dies or improves.
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Old 21st Jun 2011, 00:59
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I do find people who post comments on wishing the airport would close, becoming mystic meg and predicting its demise or trying to actively discourage people to stop using the place as odd. What harm does the airport do to anyone if it flies 1mn passengers per year or 100K passengers per year. That airport to some people is a place of employment - if someone in your family relied on the income it brings in I think you would feel very different.

I dont like marmite - do i wish it to stop being produced, no because people work on that production line - do i take offence that its sold in supermarkets - no because why should i care i just dont buy it.. so if you dont like it just dont use it..

The airport/airfield has been around for years now - so why should people take offence by its presence or wish its closure now just because in the current market its handling few flights and passengers. Also i cant see what difference it makes if its passengers, freight, private flights or airline scrappage going on - in an area where there are few jobs and declining inward investment - any business in the area is good.

Alternatives everyone talks about is a big housing estate - then everyone will complain that the new big huge housing development is driving down their house price due to overcapacity in the market..

Seriously people should not let the state of the airport get to them - maybe take a holiday instead - flights to Spain, Turkey, Bulgaria or Jersey on your doorstep - or you can drive x Miles north, south or west and fly from somewhere else if flying from there offends too much or your destination isnt available.
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Old 21st Jun 2011, 14:47
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On a similar note, I remember at our peak when we had just short of a million pax per year, everyone on here and other sites still said this wasn't enough, the airport was bad and in danger of closure, one of the quietest in the country etc etc.

One million passengers per year is not a lot to ask for but the point is, let's say DTVA achieved, or even exceeded this figure, the posts on this thread would still read the same as they do now.
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Old 21st Jun 2011, 23:38
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The Teesside Airport is closing argument comes up every 6 weeks as regularly as clockwork and the reasons it is not closing in the short to medium term have been shown to be sensible and well researched on every occasion. In the long term 10+ years then who knows where anyone will be then.
If anyone has any scintilla of proof that the airport is closing then put up or shut up.
After having a very good winter programme last year and anticipating another good one for this year ( Sharm excepted for obvious reasons ) Thomsons are having a serious look at expanding their operations for next summer. Thomas Cook are also watching their rivals and have the situation under review.
As for Locos , who needs the hassle they generate for very little extra business for the airport concessions .
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Old 21st Jun 2011, 23:51
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I dont like marmite either, but I sure put more thought into choosing an airport and flights than I do for grocery shopping. If I dont like the taste of marmite then thats just about the end of the discussion. There are limited options. Unfortunately for airports its different, way beyond a simplistic comparison. I feel free to describe why DTV is a horrible airport to transport through, and I wont repeat them, but the reasons as to why it is so horrible are far more than just a like/dont like comparison.

I am well aware of the economic value of the airport, but its not a charity. It has to earn its keep by getting passengers to use the airport. It is failing in that task. The airport is not worth its salt if its expensive to get to, with very limited public transport links and just survival level facilities for passengers and visitors. I too am going through harsh economic times, but I choose to spend my money where I get best value, and that DTV is not high on the list of value for money.

In these harsh economic times, it is simply easier and cheaper to go to Manchester.

DTV, are you really serious in what you say? Ive never seen such an example of a pitiful and self defeating comment. Do you really mean that no matter how many passengers DTV process, it will result in no improvement? If there is no improvement then the favourable comments simply wont happen.
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Old 22nd Jun 2011, 06:33
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I sort of see your point but then again can't think that a taxi/drive to DTV would be more difficult that getting to the other side of the country however will respect that is personal choice. Also I can't see why it's so horrendous, you turn up, check in wander a short distance to the gate and get on. You land back, pick up your bag and your off home relatively quickly - I find smaller airports easy to use. Also I have been in much bigger airports around the world with little or no more to do considering the number of pax there - it just takes me longer to work out there is little there as it's bigger that's all. Like I say personal choice. Also agree it's not a charity but I think there are many other airports also making losses around the world along with airlines too - if they all shut up shop and call it a day as they are not a charity that would not be good either. Times are hard, optimism is best and doesn't cost me anything. Hopefully the prediction by people of it's closure does not come true - I am flying in and out of MME later in the year.
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Old 22nd Jun 2011, 10:50
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Since when has the Manchester Airport train gone past MME?
I thought the nearest stop was Yarm.
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Old 22nd Jun 2011, 22:30
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The train goes from Saltburn to Darlington calling at Middlesbrough and Thornaby (where I usually catch it) and then to darlo, and across the pennines to Manchester airport. Apart from the very rare train which stops at MME which is once a week as I understand it, the hourly trains to Manchester just roll through the MME station without stopping.

UKlad, It is cheaper to go to Manchester in many cases than to use MME despite the distance.

As you say, the bare essentials are checking in , security and boarding. With MME thats all you get. I too have been to all sorts of airports all around the world, and MME is about as basic as things get. I dont want a foot massage in the first class lounge but any airport which has vending machines as the staple supplier of essentials is pretty dire.

I have posted about the security in MME and wont rag on about it, but its certainly not complimentary. I will repeat two points. The arrivals lounge security is woeful as the last time I picked someone up from there there was an aggressive drunk who no one did anything about. I repeatedly requested a security presence as that I felt intimidated by the drunk but nothing happened. The other thing is that the immigration control staff take their duties so seriously that to reduce a passenger to tears seems to be an achievement.
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That's slightly wrong Mercury!

NORTHERN RAIL operate a Darlington - Saltburn half-hourly service coasting through Teesside Airport Station, and TRANSPENNINE EXPRESS operate Middlesbrough - Manchester Airport hourly, which goes nowhere near DTV. This operates to Eaglescliffe (without stopping there) then turns off towards Yarm instead of towards Darlington, where DTV is.

GRAND CENTRAL operate from Sunderland - London KX via Hartlepool, Eaglescliffe, Northallerton, Thirsk & York, again operating via Yarm although not stopping.

NORTHERN RAIL operate a Sunday-only Darlington - Metrocentre which does stop at Teesside Airport.

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Old 23rd Jun 2011, 11:59
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Surely this ongoing debate as to alternate public transport to Teesside, & that which provides direct access to DTV has by now run its course. Every land based form of transport around & out of the area appears to have been covered in some detail. Accepted that DTV has had its day in the limelight, albeit as the subject of a national joke as to its lamentable rail service, but surely this does not have to keep being used to justify other rather tenuous comments. My view is that it is now all becoming a rather incestuous circle in that ground transportation will only be improved by passenger demand, & without these links & the airlines/services then there is insufficient demand. Bad management initiated the spiral downwards, aggressive management seeking alternate forms of revenue seem to be the way forward as to consolidating and building upon what remains.
Throw away comments recently posted such as
As for Locos , who needs the hassle they generate for very little extra business for the airport concessions .
illustrate all that is wrong in the thought process in addressing the "bigger picture". One hopes that this sentiment is not that of the current airport management.
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