DURHAM TEES VALLEY AIRPORT - 5
Going over old ground
Dont you just love these DTV threads? same old same old. The truth is the airport will never make the big league.It never did.Never will.
The truth is the industry(aviation and country)is in such a mess that any developing airports and I include DTV in that will struggle to make their mark,no matter how good the management or will is.
DTV has always struggled in the shadow of Newcastle and with Leeds recent Ryanair developments-always will.
Truth is there are no airlines out there willing to 'develop' an airport.The costs are too high and the risks too great.
Teesside people have shown they will support limted holiday traffic,but schedules ?? Never.
Metro is a red herring in a catch 22 situation.What comes first 50 people per train or a flight for them to join?
Not sure what the future holds for airports like DTV,Coventry ,Humberside and even Carlisle which has today announced plans for development.They in my opinion are in the same boat-someone(Stobbarts?)is going to loose an awful lot of money there!!
The future of DTV may be come clearer in november when a major announcement is to be made over direction and staffing.
Fingers crossed!!!!
The truth is the industry(aviation and country)is in such a mess that any developing airports and I include DTV in that will struggle to make their mark,no matter how good the management or will is.
DTV has always struggled in the shadow of Newcastle and with Leeds recent Ryanair developments-always will.
Truth is there are no airlines out there willing to 'develop' an airport.The costs are too high and the risks too great.
Teesside people have shown they will support limted holiday traffic,but schedules ?? Never.
Metro is a red herring in a catch 22 situation.What comes first 50 people per train or a flight for them to join?
Not sure what the future holds for airports like DTV,Coventry ,Humberside and even Carlisle which has today announced plans for development.They in my opinion are in the same boat-someone(Stobbarts?)is going to loose an awful lot of money there!!
The future of DTV may be come clearer in november when a major announcement is to be made over direction and staffing.
Fingers crossed!!!!
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Andrewmcharlton :- Thanks for addressing reality !
highwideandugly :- My fears are for you in having to cross more than your fingers in respect of any imminent anouncement. In it's simplest form if you can't match your costs & overheads with revenue then you make a loss. That DTV's revenue has fallen in the past year is a "given" and with historic losses then the writing is out there for all to see.
For me the only subjectivity is in what areas cuts can be made without impacting on day to day operations, clearly the forthcoming winter period could be very grim indeed
highwideandugly :- My fears are for you in having to cross more than your fingers in respect of any imminent anouncement. In it's simplest form if you can't match your costs & overheads with revenue then you make a loss. That DTV's revenue has fallen in the past year is a "given" and with historic losses then the writing is out there for all to see.
For me the only subjectivity is in what areas cuts can be made without impacting on day to day operations, clearly the forthcoming winter period could be very grim indeed
Humberside is still making a (reduced) profit despite quite big cuts in charter services this last couple of years. I dont see why DTV could not do the same with a minimal staff reduction/operating hour cut? I suppose Peel seem to be wanting a large throughput of pax like at LPL but it just aint gunna happen at MME.
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I was at a meeting last night, and I can now confirm that the Metro system IS coming. The funding is coming through, and Hartlepool works have already began.
I did say that it would come to light, and DTV will see 15-minutely frequencies. New Stock, New Stations (Teesside Park, James Cook Hosp), and much more. Services will link together at Thornaby, where two routes will run (Darlington - Saltburn & Nunthorpe - Hartlepool). All these services will call at Teesside Park additionally.
Just thought I should shed some light on this.
I did say that it would come to light, and DTV will see 15-minutely frequencies. New Stock, New Stations (Teesside Park, James Cook Hosp), and much more. Services will link together at Thornaby, where two routes will run (Darlington - Saltburn & Nunthorpe - Hartlepool). All these services will call at Teesside Park additionally.
Just thought I should shed some light on this.
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OMG - What they tell you and what happens are often two differnet things. If we believed everything we'd been told we'd be going up and down on hoverpacks and Sinclair C5's.
There is an election to come, 5 years of cuts whatever government we elect and things like that will be first on the chopping block. No private financier is going to invest in that, it's like Turkeys voting for Christmas. Don't get too carried away....
There is an election to come, 5 years of cuts whatever government we elect and things like that will be first on the chopping block. No private financier is going to invest in that, it's like Turkeys voting for Christmas. Don't get too carried away....
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AC3 and Skyman have finally nailed their colours to the mast so I would treat anything they have said in the past on this post with deep suspicion.
Now that they have both come out of the closet I think that any further posts they make should be treated with a certain amount of disdain and derision as they are incapable of objectivity.
Now that they have both come out of the closet I think that any further posts they make should be treated with a certain amount of disdain and derision as they are incapable of objectivity.
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Paarmo, why do you believe that you should treat anything with "deep suspicion".
Are we not allowed to have a view that is contrary to yours without being suspicious?
I would love to be able to see a way that MME can fulfill it's potential, however, I am a brutal realist and I would love to know what I have said which is inaccurate or misleadling for example (save for my own view of the magnificent Teesside vista as I pass by on the A19 with is most subjective I agree).
The statistics, history and economy speak for themselves loud and clear do they not?
Suggesting that you treat anything we say with disdain is a bit strong, unduly personal and if anything suggests it isn't I that has pinned my flag to the mast, whatever that is supposed to imply.
Are we not allowed to have a view that is contrary to yours without being suspicious?
I would love to be able to see a way that MME can fulfill it's potential, however, I am a brutal realist and I would love to know what I have said which is inaccurate or misleadling for example (save for my own view of the magnificent Teesside vista as I pass by on the A19 with is most subjective I agree).
The statistics, history and economy speak for themselves loud and clear do they not?
Suggesting that you treat anything we say with disdain is a bit strong, unduly personal and if anything suggests it isn't I that has pinned my flag to the mast, whatever that is supposed to imply.
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Andrewmcharlton waste of time in readdressing your posting(s), there are some who take exception to those that do not share their view that "the glass is always half full!".
As to other issues raised by paarmo, then criticism and disagreement of postings on this forum is fine, more personal uninformed conclusions and comments directed specifically at other correspondants is not & rather petty. Enough said.
As to other issues raised by paarmo, then criticism and disagreement of postings on this forum is fine, more personal uninformed conclusions and comments directed specifically at other correspondants is not & rather petty. Enough said.
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AC3 you must have very thin skin if you think I am abusing you.After all you did abuse 1/2million Teessider's on the basis of a 13 minute drive through Teesside at 70 mph on a semi motorway. If I was to abuse you it would be to draw your attention to two contemporary Geordies Cheryl " EEEEEEEE AH THOUGHT " Cole and Gazza who to all of us normal folks seem to epitomise the Geordie, having in mind your short drive through Teesside it certainly seems to equate well with your thinking.
Skyman, you state that your company maintains a presence in Teesside which suggests that you are in the Psychic Research business.
You both obviously have no idea what the customers of Teesside Airport want or deserve and are as out of touch as the Management.
I am all for debate and healthy disagreement , but only from a position of knowledge and not ill thought out ideas which have sometimes worked at other locations in the UK.
Teesside Airport has always been the "Peoples Airport" and will continue to be so if we can get someone in the airport to understand what the people want.
Skyman, you state that your company maintains a presence in Teesside which suggests that you are in the Psychic Research business.
You both obviously have no idea what the customers of Teesside Airport want or deserve and are as out of touch as the Management.
I am all for debate and healthy disagreement , but only from a position of knowledge and not ill thought out ideas which have sometimes worked at other locations in the UK.
Teesside Airport has always been the "Peoples Airport" and will continue to be so if we can get someone in the airport to understand what the people want.
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Paarmo: Nonsense. I haven't abused anyone in expressing my view of a place and its visual appeal, far from it, I was at pains to say there are lots of nice places nearby. If you think Teesside is a paragon of beauty it's a lost cause. I have lived in the region, worked in teesside and surrounding areas and have no personal gripe about any individual.
I just thought your "treat everything he says with disdain" is a tad over the top.
As you say base an argument on knowledge. By what measure is MME in any way a success or by what measure do any of the key economic indicators for Teesside as a region suggest that the airport and the area is about to enjoy any future success? Look at investment, employment, net GDP, productivity and output, disposable income and employment trends and explain how it can happen?
I am a bit baffled by your "People's Airport" moniker for MME. The people want flights they can afford to destinations they wants to go to (and can afford and sustain). It's not just down to the airport staff to win new routes as airlines would be beating a path to their door if they thought there was a sustainable package of routes. They aren't because there isn't.
The airport usage statistics historically, not just for right now, are pitiful reading. It maybe that different management could have improved some things at some times, however, economics and supply and demand are speaking loudly. That's not my subjective opinion its fact.
Rather than disdaining my post show me and everyone else the signs of growth and development based on knowledge and facts....prove me wrong.
I just thought your "treat everything he says with disdain" is a tad over the top.
As you say base an argument on knowledge. By what measure is MME in any way a success or by what measure do any of the key economic indicators for Teesside as a region suggest that the airport and the area is about to enjoy any future success? Look at investment, employment, net GDP, productivity and output, disposable income and employment trends and explain how it can happen?
I am a bit baffled by your "People's Airport" moniker for MME. The people want flights they can afford to destinations they wants to go to (and can afford and sustain). It's not just down to the airport staff to win new routes as airlines would be beating a path to their door if they thought there was a sustainable package of routes. They aren't because there isn't.
The airport usage statistics historically, not just for right now, are pitiful reading. It maybe that different management could have improved some things at some times, however, economics and supply and demand are speaking loudly. That's not my subjective opinion its fact.
Rather than disdaining my post show me and everyone else the signs of growth and development based on knowledge and facts....prove me wrong.
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Teesside itself is a dump.
Do you remember saying that AC3?
It does not seem that you are objective in your posts and you obviously have no idea what the average "Smoggie" wants from his local airport.
We don't want 3 flights a week to Gdansk or similar just a decent choice of holiday locations in the Med and the Canaries. Not much to ask is it?
Do you remember saying that AC3?
It does not seem that you are objective in your posts and you obviously have no idea what the average "Smoggie" wants from his local airport.
We don't want 3 flights a week to Gdansk or similar just a decent choice of holiday locations in the Med and the Canaries. Not much to ask is it?
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I do remember saying that and that is my personal subjective opinion. It looks terrible, but beauty is in the eye of the beholder. However, consider for a moment that most airports rely ona two way flow of traffic and MME has to attract people to come in not just fly people out. In that task they have patently failed. Blame who you like but changing management in these troubled times won't make a ha'peth of difference.
I would't use the derogatory term "Smoggie" and I would summise that what people want from any airport is a selection of appropriate flights to appropriate destinations according to their needs, budgets and desires. This only happens if it is economically viable.
I want flights to New York and other long haul from NCL but I can't have them because it is not economically sustainable, I have to live with it and face facts about what the airport can reasonably manage. If MME can't sustain their holiday flights it it wont happen. They can't and it isn't.
That has nothing to do with anything but economics.
I would't use the derogatory term "Smoggie" and I would summise that what people want from any airport is a selection of appropriate flights to appropriate destinations according to their needs, budgets and desires. This only happens if it is economically viable.
I want flights to New York and other long haul from NCL but I can't have them because it is not economically sustainable, I have to live with it and face facts about what the airport can reasonably manage. If MME can't sustain their holiday flights it it wont happen. They can't and it isn't.
That has nothing to do with anything but economics.
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DJ6 marvellous isn't it? If Southerner's had as much spare time as us workers int North wouldn't life be grand.
AC if you actually READ post 167 you will see that CERTAIN appears in it.
If bloggers actually READ WHAT IS WRITTEN instead of scanning it and putting their own interpretaion on it we would be much better off.
The term "Smoggie" is not derogatory as long as it is used by a Smoggie.
As for changing the management, I do think that it can't be worse than what is happening at the moment. Peel have little experience in running airports when things are not booming and their inexperience has caught them out. An experienced management team would surely have recognised the warning signs and put an emergency plan into place.All business's have a "Domesday Scenario" if they have any credibility, but it seems that Peel did not. Assuming of course that they want to run Teesside as an airport and not a Housing development.
AC if you actually READ post 167 you will see that CERTAIN appears in it.
If bloggers actually READ WHAT IS WRITTEN instead of scanning it and putting their own interpretaion on it we would be much better off.
The term "Smoggie" is not derogatory as long as it is used by a Smoggie.
As for changing the management, I do think that it can't be worse than what is happening at the moment. Peel have little experience in running airports when things are not booming and their inexperience has caught them out. An experienced management team would surely have recognised the warning signs and put an emergency plan into place.All business's have a "Domesday Scenario" if they have any credibility, but it seems that Peel did not. Assuming of course that they want to run Teesside as an airport and not a Housing development.
Skyman, how have you got hold of them if you dont mind me asking? Are DTV's obtainable as HUY's can be found with a search online due to the council still owning a share..