DURHAM TEES VALLEY AIRPORT - 5
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Why do people from Leeds and Newcastle want to see the place shut? Reduce the competition? If MME closed how much more will Newcastle be able to charge airlines/users as the airlines won't have the bargaining tool of if you we wont pay your charges, we will move down the road.. And it does happen because a couple of year back Flybe were about to start operating to Belfast from MME and Newcastle airport heard about it and persuaded Flybe not to introduce flights from MME and increase the flight from Newcastle.. don't know how - reduced landing fees etc? Even Emirates looked round MME before flying from Newcastle..won't be good for the passenger neither with reduced competition.
I never expect the place to be as busy as Newcastle or Leeds, but there is the demand for a few flights a week to Palma, Alicante, Tenerife and Turkey etc. The Ryanair flights to Alicante were very popular and that is fact, over 90% load factor each month, of course there is the yield which no one will know, but with a 90% load factor they must be making some money.
There are still quite a few movements each day with business jets, Cobham, light aircraft, training and military movements, so while the passenger side is struggling the place certainly isn't dead.
Plus I don't want to fly from Newcastle or Leeds.. just doesn't make it easy for a weekend away with kids etc, but if there were flights from 5 minutes down the road then I would be tempted..
I never expect the place to be as busy as Newcastle or Leeds, but there is the demand for a few flights a week to Palma, Alicante, Tenerife and Turkey etc. The Ryanair flights to Alicante were very popular and that is fact, over 90% load factor each month, of course there is the yield which no one will know, but with a 90% load factor they must be making some money.
There are still quite a few movements each day with business jets, Cobham, light aircraft, training and military movements, so while the passenger side is struggling the place certainly isn't dead.
Plus I don't want to fly from Newcastle or Leeds.. just doesn't make it easy for a weekend away with kids etc, but if there were flights from 5 minutes down the road then I would be tempted..
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mmeman - I don't think its a case of people at Leeds or Newcastle wanting DTV to close but simply realising that in the North East of England insufficient traffic exists to support three International Airports.
You also point out demand exists for places like Palma, Alicante, Tenerife etc however if this was the case then DTV would have flights to all the destinations you named. The simple fact is however that these routes have been tried and proved unsuccessful as they were not sufficiently supported by the folks in Teeside and while you may not like to fly from Newcastle or Leeds for whatever reason the rest of local population prefer to fly from airports other than DTV.
I would also like to point out, and I am not sure where you got this information from, but at no point were Emirates considering flights from DTV
You also point out demand exists for places like Palma, Alicante, Tenerife etc however if this was the case then DTV would have flights to all the destinations you named. The simple fact is however that these routes have been tried and proved unsuccessful as they were not sufficiently supported by the folks in Teeside and while you may not like to fly from Newcastle or Leeds for whatever reason the rest of local population prefer to fly from airports other than DTV.
I would also like to point out, and I am not sure where you got this information from, but at no point were Emirates considering flights from DTV
ncleflights. The current Tenerife and Alicante flights are hard to get seats on.
And from someone from very reliable inside DTV, Emirates staff were deffinitely at DTV.
On a diffrent subject how big is the dept at Newcastle the last we herd on here they had a loan for nearly 500 million.
And from someone from very reliable inside DTV, Emirates staff were deffinitely at DTV.
On a diffrent subject how big is the dept at Newcastle the last we herd on here they had a loan for nearly 500 million.
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N707ZS If Emirates staff have ever been to MME it will only have been as a possible diversion airport. What is this dept I keep reading about? Do you mean debt? Can there be three international airports in LBA, MME & NCL. The market suggests the answer is no as the butter becomes spread far too thinly on the bread.
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mmeman - I don't think its a case of people at Leeds or Newcastle wanting DTV to close but simply realizing that in the North East of England insufficient traffic exists to support three International Airports.
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This is a blessing for MME I beleive. With Peel gone it could mean we get people in who want to make an airport and not just mess about. I beleive someone will buy it, according to peel they have had a few people wanting to look into MME. We need a company with a proven track record. Maybe the Manchester Airport Group or Stobart Airports Ltd. All we need to do is find an airline who want to fly. We had Flyglobespan until they went bust and they were doing fine from our airport, Ryanair wanted to give MME more flights but that was stopped due to the PFF,
Also a lot of our local mps are fighting for it. With James Wharton and Jenny Chapman speaking to the PM about it. Lets hope the future of MME is saved and becomes bright
Also a lot of our local mps are fighting for it. With James Wharton and Jenny Chapman speaking to the PM about it. Lets hope the future of MME is saved and becomes bright
GAXLN, sorry late night posting, it should of been debt.
On a different subject. On a Sunday Eastern operates the DTVA Aberdeen flight with the Southampton aircraft but they don't sell seats for the leg which comes from Southampton and goes back to Southampton, does anyone know why?
On a different subject. On a Sunday Eastern operates the DTVA Aberdeen flight with the Southampton aircraft but they don't sell seats for the leg which comes from Southampton and goes back to Southampton, does anyone know why?
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Some very seriously delusional daydreaming going on here. Emirates at MME? Supermarkets moving in? Stobarts buying the airfield? 3x daily to Southend?
For goodness sake......
It isn't making money, has it's worst pax numbers (and continuing to slide) since the airport was but 10 years old etc etc
The airl;ines that were there either pulled the routes or went bust. That should tell you something. There is no anti-MME sentiment from NCL or LBA I suspect but they are commercial organisations that compete for the same traffic and people are voting with their feet.
With no pax services (if they do go) it is over for MME. The market isn't big enough andthe whole "but I don't want to go an hour up the road" won't sustain anything, you'll just be sitting at home soon. Get real.
For goodness sake......
It isn't making money, has it's worst pax numbers (and continuing to slide) since the airport was but 10 years old etc etc
The airl;ines that were there either pulled the routes or went bust. That should tell you something. There is no anti-MME sentiment from NCL or LBA I suspect but they are commercial organisations that compete for the same traffic and people are voting with their feet.
With no pax services (if they do go) it is over for MME. The market isn't big enough andthe whole "but I don't want to go an hour up the road" won't sustain anything, you'll just be sitting at home soon. Get real.
Customer Confidence
As has been seen with building societies,banks,travel agents and airlines...once the doubt sets in..then the customer goes elsewhere.I feel this is the big problem now.
Would anyone in their right might risk hard earned cash booking through an airport who,lets face it,its days are numbered?
Im sure KLM Eastern and Cobhams are looking over their shoulders..they dont want to turn up one day and the doors are locked?
My theory is the airport will survive.It will become a private run airfield like Dunsfold and similar were.
Cobhams(buyer?) will import the Hawks from Leeming which will close.The airfield will stop all passenger flights along with the associated costs.It will open 9-5 ish closed at weekends.
Remember a lot of investment is needed even to maintain the current standards.Thr runway is going to need attention soon-the taxyways do now..Stobarts are finding to their cost with Southend that to run an airport takes mega bucks.Why do you think its gone so quiet on the Carlisle development-no will to spend millions only to take fresh flowers to Barra!! So you can discount them.
Interesting times!
Would anyone in their right might risk hard earned cash booking through an airport who,lets face it,its days are numbered?
Im sure KLM Eastern and Cobhams are looking over their shoulders..they dont want to turn up one day and the doors are locked?
My theory is the airport will survive.It will become a private run airfield like Dunsfold and similar were.
Cobhams(buyer?) will import the Hawks from Leeming which will close.The airfield will stop all passenger flights along with the associated costs.It will open 9-5 ish closed at weekends.
Remember a lot of investment is needed even to maintain the current standards.Thr runway is going to need attention soon-the taxyways do now..Stobarts are finding to their cost with Southend that to run an airport takes mega bucks.Why do you think its gone so quiet on the Carlisle development-no will to spend millions only to take fresh flowers to Barra!! So you can discount them.
Interesting times!
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highwideandugly - I think you have more or less summed the situation up i.e. that it will survive as an airfield of sorts, though not in it's present format.
You introduced an interesting point that has been somewhat overlooked in recent postings, that being the current state of repair of the "asset" DTV.
As such any price paid for DTV will have to reflect these concerns, as such maintenance does not come cheap.
You need to take a reality check !, DTV was NEVER a bargaining tool for airlines operating out of other local airports as it simply could not offer the infrastructure or facilities. IF DTV were to close, then it will simply be normal business as usual up & down the road!, no more or less pax as there will be none to migrate.
It needs to be noted that airlines in considering new services, carry out significant market resaerch, and undoubtedly take into account at what is happening at neighbouring airfields, but it is possibly public perception as to how they saw DTV, that was a historical issue that was too hard to overcome.
As I said on many occasions then any problem can be addressed with the right competent management team backed with sufficient financial resource, sadly DTV was seriously lacking in both!
You introduced an interesting point that has been somewhat overlooked in recent postings, that being the current state of repair of the "asset" DTV.
Remember a lot of investment is needed even to maintain the current standards.Thr runway is going to need attention soon-the taxyways do now..
mmeman - If MME closed how much more will Newcastle be able to charge airlines/users as the airlines won't have the bargaining tool of if you we wont pay your charges, we will move down the road..
It needs to be noted that airlines in considering new services, carry out significant market resaerch, and undoubtedly take into account at what is happening at neighbouring airfields, but it is possibly public perception as to how they saw DTV, that was a historical issue that was too hard to overcome.
As I said on many occasions then any problem can be addressed with the right competent management team backed with sufficient financial resource, sadly DTV was seriously lacking in both!
Stats out from the CAA for November. 13,493 passengers for the month (down 12.2% compared to Nov-10) or 189,997 for the last 12 month rolling period (down 15.6%).
56.5% of passengers were on the Amsterdam route, which indicates how influential KLM may be in any future purchase of Peel Airport Ltd's stake in MME
56.5% of passengers were on the Amsterdam route, which indicates how influential KLM may be in any future purchase of Peel Airport Ltd's stake in MME
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The Future
DTVA`s future does not have to be pasengers
It could be aircraft maintance, painting ,frieight, scrapping and buisness flights
many of the above would take a lot of investment and a lot of cooparation from the airport managment if any companys were prepared to move there operations here
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It could be aircraft maintance, painting ,frieight, scrapping and buisness flights
many of the above would take a lot of investment and a lot of cooparation from the airport managment if any companys were prepared to move there operations here
jetstar.8
Kemble, aka Cotswold Airport is thriving on such a diet. Aircraft storage (several 747s, lots of Avro RJ/146s), parting-out, training, club activity, etc make it far more viable than a few charters to the med.
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TOM website is only showing PMI (operated by Iberworld)
Doesn't show ALC or Tenerife
Edit...Yes it does actually! Oops!
As long as there's a passenger terminal there in Winter 2012. Can't say I'd be booking with the fear of a switch to LBA, MAN or NCL
Doesn't show ALC or Tenerife
Edit...Yes it does actually! Oops!
As long as there's a passenger terminal there in Winter 2012. Can't say I'd be booking with the fear of a switch to LBA, MAN or NCL
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If DTVA could achieve that, through new ownership, we would be moving in a very positive direction. Kemble's a wonderful place because of its diversity. The fear is that in the current climate the roll-call of bidders for DTVA will be the usual litany of private equity companies and associated asset-strippers and cost-cutters whose only interest is the ability to sell the asset on rather than encouraging the great variety which is general aviation. The core is there at DTVA - Cobham, the flying schools etc. It just takes someone who (a) has the money and (b) is interested in promoting aviation to make it a reality.
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Kemble, aka Cotswold Airport is thriving on such a diet. Aircraft storage (several 747s, lots of Avro RJ/146s), parting-out, training, club activity, etc make it far more viable than a few charters to the med
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