DURHAM TEES VALLEY AIRPORT - 5
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Peel excluded more than just portions of land in the Vancouver deal, they stole the entire South side of the airfield. People talk about the conspiracy theory as if it's still ongoing and it's not. Peel got exactly what they wanted and have no further interests in any of the three airports as far as the running of them goes. It's more or less entirely in Vancouvers hands now.
I've seen for myself that the present management / owners are doing all they can to turn the place around but the damage caused by their predecessors may turn out to be irreparable.
I've seen for myself that the present management / owners are doing all they can to turn the place around but the damage caused by their predecessors may turn out to be irreparable.
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they are doing it on purpose. Peel want to close the airport so they can use the land.
Now if I were running that airport I'd be bending over backwards to get this working and have a positive bit of news around the place, but that doesn't seem to be the case.
The 737 scrapping is supposedly been halted due to the lack of national enviromental procedures, it may also affect other airports/scrappers.
On the up side just to say that the airport can do it they managed to complete a daily flight to Calgary and back last week with an Airbus 330 and a 757F with some baggage...............roll the knockers!
On the up side just to say that the airport can do it they managed to complete a daily flight to Calgary and back last week with an Airbus 330 and a 757F with some baggage...............roll the knockers!
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I was going to take issue on what at first appeared an unconsidered throw away comment, that is until I looked on the front page of the DTV website where upon review it was noted that c. 75%!! of the page was in one way or another related to selling car parking !!
Management can't see beyond the car park and the terminal for business opportunities.
N707ZS ? Knockers??
Really sorry to burst your very fragile bubble..but I was listening the other morning when the Caribes A330 came in early...the airport wasnt even open..the aircraft worked newcastle and was told ..sorry DTV not ready..enter the hold!! now for your best customer...only extra customer(MOD) that isnt too good i would guess? But as others have said...they dont care. thats peel/vas not the staff.the airport infrastructure is such as to be almost non existant.
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..... But as others have said...they dont care. thats peel/vas not the staff.the airport infrastructure is such as to be almost non existant.
empty thoughts...
I was going to write something but like Peel and VAS..i have lost the thread,the plot,the purpose and the will to live .BTW anyone on the outside looking in...dont let VAS touch your airport with a bargepole!
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Nothing wrong with VAS, they're trying, it's Peel and Peel alone that was the problem
However VAS surely had to see what was coming in doing their due diligence on their acquisition from Peel Airports. After all was it not mooted that the prime reason of Peel to dispose of it's airport division (though not before time) was to move it to those that had greater experience in the running of airports, whilst leaving Peel to concentrate on what it did best
"Land developments"Reality is more likely that DTV were thrown in as part of the "bundle" and that even VAS have met their match.
As an aside then it is interesting to note the future illustrious carreers NOT! of those DTV high rollers that were eventually found out.
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Im actually getting really 'peeled' off at this...
Peel don't want to keep the community, they want money. It's always been the case, and without some kind of justification im not happy with it. DTV has the potential, but Peel make out as if it's not their fault when it is. They could do so much more. They could lower landing fees etc for trial periods, offer Northern Rail incentives to match these trial planes, and of course could do a large marketing campaign across Teesside - there's plenty of billboards, city-centre TVs etc, but obviously this airport doesn't appeal.
If this airport falls, its because of peel, no-one else.
Peel don't want to keep the community, they want money. It's always been the case, and without some kind of justification im not happy with it. DTV has the potential, but Peel make out as if it's not their fault when it is. They could do so much more. They could lower landing fees etc for trial periods, offer Northern Rail incentives to match these trial planes, and of course could do a large marketing campaign across Teesside - there's plenty of billboards, city-centre TVs etc, but obviously this airport doesn't appeal.
If this airport falls, its because of peel, no-one else.
Peel don't want to keep the community, they want money. It's always been the case, and without some kind of justification im not happy with it.
If the airport fails, is it not because people don't want to pay enough to fly from there?
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If this airport falls, its because of peel, no-one else.
Prior to the acquisition, then Peel's fundamental problem at DTV was to allow the "Lunatics to continue running the asylum". All this continual banter as their land development interests at DTV is an aside as well as being purely conjecture.
I've read so much spin in respect of this place including the "5 years bad luck!" quote. I'd prefer to replace the words "bad luck" with "incompetence".
VAS are now left with an almost impossible task of restoring DTV back to a position where it served 1 million plus pax.
At this time then the future of DTV as a commercial airport hangs on the continued support KLM.
Seems to me that any audit carried out on the current viability of DTV would have to consider "going concern" very carefully.
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Peel ran all three airports through a central team. All of the important stuff relating to airline negotation, route development and so forth was done by the same team that covered Doncaster and Liverpool (combined passenger numbers of 6.3m). The local airport directors were there to co-ordinate the front of house, the agencies and in general to keep the place running on a day to day basis. Blaming these guys for route development issues is utter rubbish, so find another scapegoat if you need someone to blame
Maybe start with the people of the North East and ask them why they didn't use the services in sufficient numbers when bmi baby, Globespan, Wizz, Ryanair and Thomsonfly were all persuaded by Peel to offer services from DTV.
Maybe start with the people of the North East and ask them why they didn't use the services in sufficient numbers when bmi baby, Globespan, Wizz, Ryanair and Thomsonfly were all persuaded by Peel to offer services from DTV.
Vueling into DTV ?
Vueling announced new flights from cardiff to barcelona..if VAS/Peel have been doing there business..I reckon we should be next?? Lets be positive!! 
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Well I'm always astonished that airlines like Wizz make slimmer routes work from these regional and less popular airports - maybe Vueling is going to open up loco Spain to them like Wizz did....
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One has to presume from your position then the blame rests entirely on the local population, and that everyone else has done a great job !
Quite clearly your time in "Monte Carlo" is affecting your mind.
The local airport directors were there to co-ordinate the front of house, the agencies and in general to keep the place running on a day to day basis.
Quite clearly your time in "Monte Carlo" is affecting your mind.
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In reality the residents of Teesside are well served for local airports, the distance - access time to reach NCL for most of those living in Teesside is actually better than for many living in other parts of the country to reach an airport with that level of services. In addition those residents living to the South have other options. Given the demographics of the North East then it is well served for airports. Unfortunately it does seem though that although it is a bitter pill to swallow, history is once again suggesting that the region is unable to support two airports with similar aspirations and that there can only be one winner
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So yes, as bmi baby, TUI, Wizz, Ryanair, Eastern and others found in the middle of the last decade, the local population didn't book enough seats or pay a sufficient price for the seats they did book, to make it worthwhile. If this were a management issue as opposed to a catchment & competition issue, Doncaster and Liverpool would have seen similar problems.
In reality the residents of Teesside are well served for local airports, the distance - access time to reach NCL for most of those living in Teesside is actually better than for many living in other parts of the country to reach an airport with that level of services. In addition those residents living to the South have other options. Given the demographics of the North East then it is well served for airports. Unfortunately it does seem though that although it is a bitter pill to swallow, history is once again suggesting that the region is unable to support two airports with similar aspirations and that there can only be one winner
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So yes, as bmi baby, TUI, Wizz, Ryanair, Eastern and others found in the middle of the last decade, the local population didn't book enough seats or pay a sufficient price for the seats they did book, to make it worthwhile. If this were a management issue as opposed to a catchment & competition issue, Doncaster and Liverpool would have seen similar problems.
not doomed?
looking at Waterford, they have one flight on Saturday, 2 on Tuesdays and Wednesdays and 4 flights daily for the other 4 days and the airport survives. Dundee has 2, 3 or 4 flights a day and seems to keep going so why would DTV have any problems given their current activity levels?
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ps anyone know what is happening at Dundee? The thread is dead.
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ps anyone know what is happening at Dundee? The thread is dead.
Think the court case finished months ago after an appeal at the high court, the airport/Peel won.
Next question is what happened to the £15 million?
Bad bear, it's only the knockers who want to see DTVA close for some sad reason.
Next question is what happened to the £15 million?
Bad bear, it's only the knockers who want to see DTVA close for some sad reason.
