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DURHAM TEES VALLEY AIRPORT - 5

Old 11th Jan 2011, 22:02
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Didn't think the news of Ryanair pulling out would have lead the news like it has, BBC Tees had a good interview today though with someone who stuck up for the airport & criticised anyone who goes to alternative airports because of the new tax only to pay more in parking & fuel. This is the atitude everyone needs to take!!

What surprised me is someone from Peel said Ryanair had already decided to leave prior to the announcement of the tax.
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Old 11th Jan 2011, 23:53
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High wide I think you will find the Thomson delay was a LBA knock on and nothing to do with Teesside.
Losing Ryanair is not the worst news in the world. Their ALC flight was always well populated and so their assertion that the route was being pulled in November before the passenger surcharge is strange.Eastern and KLM both disagree with the surcharge and both say so in public. KLM have never to my knowledge disagreed with MME policy publicly even when the strangest ideas of the so called management team were released.
This appears to be the tipping point for the Canadians. Have they something up their sleeves or are they about to close the airport and commit professional suicide? If they close then no one will ever believe them again and their promises will count for nothing.
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Old 12th Jan 2011, 11:00
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Originally Posted by DTV Airport
Didn't think the news of Ryanair pulling out would have lead the news like it has, BBC Tees had a good interview today though with someone who stuck up for the airport & criticised anyone who goes to alternative airports because of the new tax only to pay more in parking & fuel. This is the atitude everyone needs to take!!

What surprised me is someone from Peel said Ryanair had already decided to leave prior to the announcement of the tax.
It's all well criticising people for going elsewhere but they won't use DTV because there's not enough flights and the infrastructure (or at least shops, restaurants etc) isn't good enough

I always tried to use the Airport when I lived in the UK but to get where I needed to be it often involved either taking very expensive charter flights or connecting through AMS when I could toddle up to NCL or EDI and get a direct scheduled flight for half the price.

If there's a large group going away on holiday it's just as cost effective to hire a minibus or taxi and get up to NCL so I don't buy the fuel cost argument, nearly every taxi company in the area does decent deals on NCL airport transfers

Regardless of the merits of any fee it's going to put people off purely on a PR basis. It's got negative connotations.
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Old 22nd Jan 2011, 11:29
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Despite a fear of sounding like a typical pre-25 yr old ppruner I don't mind saying I've been told of four routes in the pipeline but have been told in confidence. Two we're already aware of so I'll share those - Larnaca & Paphos with Monarch apparantly still in the pipeline (VAS connection, which contradicts my 1st paragraph but hey ho), the third I'm supremely skeptical about & the fourth is possible I suppose but no idea who would operate it.
Are we to presume the rumours heard relate to the Monarch to Funchal one off route with Atlantic Holidays as well as the BA cityflyer routes to Naples and Bergamo, with Omega Holidays?

After a 12.5% increase in traffic in November, December figures are down by 4.5%. I suppose this can be largely put down to the numerous snow closures and Christmas schedules.

Can anyone shed any light on the reduced yet annual Grenoble charters? Are these privately booked in a similar way to the Lourdes flights?
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Old 26th Jan 2011, 15:10
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Ryanair starting Humberside-Alicante service. Obviously replacing our fairly popular route, but without the passenger fee in the terminal.
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Old 27th Jan 2011, 17:16
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Hardly a surprise and more bad publicity.

Concern for ?vital? airport as passenger numbers hit a low (From The Northern Echo)
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Old 27th Jan 2011, 19:20
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Disappointing to see HUY gaining from our misfortune but I guess it is more of a deal with MAG airports more than HUY (which was probably part of the bargain with the 4 routes announced from MAN with FR)
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Old 27th Jan 2011, 19:28
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Mr Tudor said it was unlikely any new routes would be introduced this year.
There's nowt like ambition Surely we should be offering free EVERYTHING to Thomson to operate ALC in the summer and continue Sharm, Tenerife and (Vancouver owned) Paphos and Larnaca for winter 2011????

Whilst the likes of LBA (bmi LHR) DSA (Aer Lingus, FR to Dublin and Girona)suffer the same axes as MME, I must admit this proved some comfort but I am now starting to see the 'parting of the ways' with FR now expanding at DSA (FAO and TFS) and even HUY, I am beginning to genuinely think if we are seeing the beginning of the end for Durham Tees Valley.
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Old 27th Jan 2011, 19:44
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Not sure why you're confused about FR expanding at HUY, it has a bigger core catchment area than MME for a start, and i believe they are actually looking at adding more if the route does ok.

Clearly the ADF has had a negative impact, such a shame its come to this for MME. Hopefully there will be better news down the line.
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Old 27th Jan 2011, 20:03
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I can't believe the local authorities that still own a share in the airport (don't they?) can just sit back and let this happen. They must be applying some pressure on Peel/VAS to do something.

The manangement are always blaming the 'difficult time' in aviation, but I don't see another airport in whole country that has had such a shocking decline in passenger numbers. They must bear some responsibility.

As an example of poor management, there are some 1 off holidays with Omega holidays been arranged, but any mention of the them on the airport's website - not a thing, not even a press release. And if you go to the Airlines and Tour Operators list on the website, it still lists Airtours, Thomas Cook and Direct holidays which haven't flown from here for over a year, and under Thomson and First choice no mention of Tenerife and Sharm El Sheik.

To say at this stage of the year that there will be no new routes this year just shows that there is nothing in the pipeline at all, so what are the development/marketing teams doing?

Of course passenger numbers in 2011 will be even less than 2010, with the loss of Ryanair and Aer Lingus

I know we have the winter Thomson flights which is a good start, but if Thomson think there is a demand in winter for flights, why not a demand in summer? Even if it is just to Alicante, Tenerife etc...

Very sad state of affairs and the 6 fee just will not help, I hope the management see this and reverse a very poor decision.
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Old 27th Jan 2011, 20:26
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Dtv Rip ?

said it before and will say it again..if cobhams/frl pull out..the airport will close.the only meaningful revenue coming in is from those 2.
worringly..it may be out of everyones hands as the defence cuts may make the decision on our behalf.

the future...who knows..i think all airports are struggling..especially with domestic taxes..so (1)domestic flights imho are out of the question.
(2)international schedules..doubtful..never worked in the past when the economy was 'good' so why now.(3)Bucket and spade, well how many times do people really want to go to Spain(and can they afford it?)(4)now no military to fall back on
Its going to be a hard couple of years fo rDTV(and all airports) the question is can we survive as a going concern and come out the other end in decent shape?

Only time will tell...fingers/legs/cheques crossed !
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Old 27th Jan 2011, 20:40
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As an example of poor management, there are some 1 off holidays with Omega holidays been arranged, but any mention of the them on the airport's website - not a thing, not even a press release. And if you go to the Airlines and Tour Operators list on the website, it still lists Airtours, Thomas Cook and Direct holidays which haven't flown from here for over a year, and under Thomson and First choice no mention of Tenerife and Sharm El Sheik.


One look at the news section on the DSA website (who recently announced an INCREASE in pax numbers) shows how proactive the marketing team are in comparison to MME. It also mentions how DSA management have hit local travel agents advertising new TCX routes (inc. bonuses from TCX). Now I wonder if MME management (who are one in the same people as DSA????) have done that regarding TOM's winter routes?
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Old 28th Jan 2011, 00:06
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MME going down the tube

I used MME a couple of week back and it was worse than bad. In the arrivals hall was one man with a walkie talkie whilst a very aggressive drunk making threats of violence was permitted to wander around that part of the airport. I was extremely cautious as this was something that should have a visible presence of police, and not just a guys witha walkie talkie.

The 6 quid entrance fee is just stupid beyond imagining. If Peel want people to go there then its incentives they need, not disincentives.

The parking is punitively expensive. Even picking someone up can run into 5 quid very quickly.

If Peel wanted to create an "airport experience" then they have made the worst combination of negative factors I fan think of.
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Old 28th Jan 2011, 00:31
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If Peel want people to go there then its incentives they need, not disincentives.
Ever thought thats maybe what Peel/VAS want?
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Old 28th Jan 2011, 10:34
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One look at the news section on the DSA website (who recently announced an INCREASE in pax numbers) shows how proactive the marketing team are in comparison to MME. It also mentions how DSA management have hit local travel agents advertising new TCX routes (inc. bonuses from TCX). Now I wonder if MME management (who are one in the same people as DSA????) have done that regarding TOM's winter routes?

I think you will find the MME has no marketing department and this with 'route development' is actually based at DSA or LPL....I will let you draw your own conclusions as to where their loyalities lie
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Old 28th Jan 2011, 18:51
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Given that DSA's original business plan involved taking 87% of their traffic from other existing airports (never mind closure of Sheffield City), surely it's no surprise that Peel might soft-pedal (to say the least) on DTV?

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Old 28th Jan 2011, 21:51
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Mr Tudor said it was unlikely any new routes would be introduced this year.
I am really surprised that only one comment specific to this statement so far. "This year " is only 28 days old and route development is written off ! I always thought that there were many lost souls at DTV who were hopelessly out of their depth, though the time for criticism has passed. Much as I questioned the KQ era, at least the ridiculous comments that ensued were muted attempts at positive spin, but now with management vested even more remote within the Peel regime, then what on earth is Robin Tudor hoping to achieve?
Perhaps I fear that he may actually wanting to ensure that on his CV that he was actually the last person who actually came out and faced the truth, though it would in retrospect be a seriously sad epitaph in the annals of the troubled history of Teesside Airport.
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Old 28th Jan 2011, 23:22
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Perhaps Mr Tudor might get FlyLo for 2012. I see Kerry and miss Baines now work on the checkin for them!

Is there no Thomson to Alicante either this summer?
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Old 29th Jan 2011, 09:59
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The load figures for Dec 2010 for Thomson were very good, 85/95%. The yields appear to be good because they are not discounting to any great degree and the local travel agents are still pushing the holidays.
I really don't see what more can be done by Teessiders or any other outside influences. Mind you it is typical of MME's luck that Egypt may be going into an Islamic Republic just as the first flights to Sharm are warming up.
It's now down to VAS and not Peel.
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Old 3rd Feb 2011, 21:38
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Jet 2 at DTV

good to see Jet 2 737 x 2 at DTV today.Hope its a sign of the times? I get the feeling this might be more than crew training and might be a test to see if the airport can cope?

how about 3 x week to alicante and belfast to start with? Couple of palmas and you have a nice little one aircraft w pattern from leeds/newcastel at no great cost?

also think its about time someone like air berlin/norwegian low cost could work? again couple of times a week.

It seems to have gone pretty quiet up the road at newcastle with new routes..maybe its our turn?
fingers crossed
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