DURHAM TEES VALLEY AIRPORT - 5
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2013 CAA stats on cargo don't even list DTV. Now, this may be because Peel choose not to report it, but I have a suspicion that's not the reason....
Does much cargo go through DTV these day?
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Hangars can easily be converted to factory units if the airport closes. How big will these hangars be anyway? Will they be airline size or just for light aircraft?
As an outsider who looks at this thread now and again so no doubt I miss much of the detail it just strikes me as a strange investment plan and that Peel have all but thrown in the towel with regard to offering passenger services.
Get rid of the passengers and the cargo aircraft, close the terminal with all the cost savings that would make, reduce the fire cover to a minimum and turn the airport into a light aircraft general aviation airfield. Reduce the maintained runway length and width to cut maintenance bills and job done. .
As an outsider who looks at this thread now and again so no doubt I miss much of the detail it just strikes me as a strange investment plan and that Peel have all but thrown in the towel with regard to offering passenger services.
Get rid of the passengers and the cargo aircraft, close the terminal with all the cost savings that would make, reduce the fire cover to a minimum and turn the airport into a light aircraft general aviation airfield. Reduce the maintained runway length and width to cut maintenance bills and job done. .
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Peel announce move into Logistics nationwide.
News which 'may' be a boost for DTV in the long run?
Multimodal 2014: Peel moves into shed space with strategic logistics offer
Peel moves into shed space with strategic logistics offer
Large article, some of it printed here:
The Peel Group has unveiled its intentions to become a key player in the logistics market, with the launch of an industrial land bank on an unprecedented scale.
The 66 sites across almost 6,000 acres of land throughout the UK will be promoted through Peel Logistics, a strategic marketing alliance combining land assets from The Peel Group, Peel Ports and through Peel’s alliance with leading UK property regeneration company Harworth Estates
Many of the sites are multimodal; Peel Ports is already Great Britain’s second largest group of ports and the company’s aviation interests include four airports in the North of England.
Of the 66 sites,
42 percent are in the North West,
35 percent are across Yorkshire and the Midlands,
10 percent are in the North East,
and 12 percent are in Scotland.
The portfolio also includes a three-acre site in the South East, making up the final percentage of the allocation.
17 sites are brought to market through Peel’s strategic alliance with Harworth Estates, of which it has a minority shareholding. The three companies will continue to market their own sites individually, with Peel Logistics providing a marketing umbrella for the UK-wide portfolio.
Phil Wilson, executive director at Harworth Estates commented:
"We are delighted to be in this strategic alliance with The Peel Group and Peel Ports
The launch of Peel Logistics is timed to meet the accelerating demand for quality space. The portfolio will offer over 100 million sq. ft. of bespoke distribution warehousing, together with funding and outline planning consent for many of the sites. 1,900 acres have all infrastructure in place and are ready for occupation.
Commenting on the launch, John Whittaker, Chairman of The Peel Group, said:
"Peel Logistics brings together the largest land bank in the UK and is a key strategic project for the organisation.
“Additionally, well over a third of our sites already have planning consent and infrastructure in place allowing businesses to progress with their new ventures quickly, creating substantial employment and regeneration opportunities."
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Maybe DTV is going to become a container centre instead of an airport?
I wonder if Phil Wilson who is mentioned is the local labour man or a relative???
Multimodal 2014: Peel moves into shed space with strategic logistics offer
Peel moves into shed space with strategic logistics offer
Large article, some of it printed here:
The Peel Group has unveiled its intentions to become a key player in the logistics market, with the launch of an industrial land bank on an unprecedented scale.
The 66 sites across almost 6,000 acres of land throughout the UK will be promoted through Peel Logistics, a strategic marketing alliance combining land assets from The Peel Group, Peel Ports and through Peel’s alliance with leading UK property regeneration company Harworth Estates
Many of the sites are multimodal; Peel Ports is already Great Britain’s second largest group of ports and the company’s aviation interests include four airports in the North of England.
Of the 66 sites,
42 percent are in the North West,
35 percent are across Yorkshire and the Midlands,
10 percent are in the North East,
and 12 percent are in Scotland.
The portfolio also includes a three-acre site in the South East, making up the final percentage of the allocation.
17 sites are brought to market through Peel’s strategic alliance with Harworth Estates, of which it has a minority shareholding. The three companies will continue to market their own sites individually, with Peel Logistics providing a marketing umbrella for the UK-wide portfolio.
Phil Wilson, executive director at Harworth Estates commented:
"We are delighted to be in this strategic alliance with The Peel Group and Peel Ports
The launch of Peel Logistics is timed to meet the accelerating demand for quality space. The portfolio will offer over 100 million sq. ft. of bespoke distribution warehousing, together with funding and outline planning consent for many of the sites. 1,900 acres have all infrastructure in place and are ready for occupation.
Commenting on the launch, John Whittaker, Chairman of The Peel Group, said:
"Peel Logistics brings together the largest land bank in the UK and is a key strategic project for the organisation.
“Additionally, well over a third of our sites already have planning consent and infrastructure in place allowing businesses to progress with their new ventures quickly, creating substantial employment and regeneration opportunities."
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Maybe DTV is going to become a container centre instead of an airport?
I wonder if Phil Wilson who is mentioned is the local labour man or a relative???
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You only need to look at what is happening to Manson to see the future for this airport.
A massive land bank that can be sold off in parcels has got to be worth more than Durham could ever make.
A massive land bank that can be sold off in parcels has got to be worth more than Durham could ever make.
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Must admit I have been a bit out of touch with just what is going on at Teesside of late and therefore I was both surprised and puzzled to recently hear that Durham Tees Valley Radar is now operated from Liverpool Airport. Just how does this work, is the Radar Scanner at Teesside still operational with perhaps a live feed to Liverpool, are the controllers the same people who originally worked at Teesside but are now based at Liverpool ?. Any info as to just how this works, the benefits and of course the minus points appreciated.
Thanks.
Thanks.
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I was told by an airport worker that the Secondary radar (SSR) is fed by a radar station high up in the pennines. Forgotten its name.
It was a cheaper option than basing a new secondary system at DTV.
There is only a primary radar system at DTV from what he said.
Liverpool handle all of the information desk enquiries at DTV I think.
Doncaster handle all of the cargo and airlines
It was a cheaper option than basing a new secondary system at DTV.
There is only a primary radar system at DTV from what he said.
Liverpool handle all of the information desk enquiries at DTV I think.
Doncaster handle all of the cargo and airlines
It's probably Great Dun Fell.
Doncaster's approach radar is/was handled by Liverpool-based ATC as well, so I understand.
There may be more use of procedural approaches via the TD NDB as a result.
More on this in the thread below. Spot the touchy ATCOs...
http://www.pprune.org/atc-issues/259...-mon-dieu.html
Doncaster's approach radar is/was handled by Liverpool-based ATC as well, so I understand.
There may be more use of procedural approaches via the TD NDB as a result.
More on this in the thread below. Spot the touchy ATCOs...
http://www.pprune.org/atc-issues/259...-mon-dieu.html
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Thanks Midland 331, it was Great Dunn Fell which provided the SSR feed I was told a few years ago.
DTV management couldn't afford to pay for their own secondary radar so they used to get their SSR feed from up on the hills. Is it a military radar Gt.Dunn?
DTVA on here may know if MME has ever put a new SSR in since, but with Peel in charge I can't see them paying for new equipment...can you?
DTV management couldn't afford to pay for their own secondary radar so they used to get their SSR feed from up on the hills. Is it a military radar Gt.Dunn?
DTVA on here may know if MME has ever put a new SSR in since, but with Peel in charge I can't see them paying for new equipment...can you?
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Many thanks for the replys and info. I did suspect that the info I was recently given, ie that the facility had been moved to Liverpool was suspect as I still recognise voices that have been around on 118.85 for years and not a "Scouser" among them !!.
Having just looked at the technical page on the aiport's website it confirms that SSR (Secondary Surveillance Radar) is provided to Teesside by link from Great Dun Fell Radar which is near Penrith. (That big white ball that can be seen from miles around).
The Airport's Primary Radar is a Plessy Watchman System which I can remember was chosen years ago as it fitted in with and matched the radars at Leeming. (Well that's what was reported on local media at the time).
Thanks again.
Having just looked at the technical page on the aiport's website it confirms that SSR (Secondary Surveillance Radar) is provided to Teesside by link from Great Dun Fell Radar which is near Penrith. (That big white ball that can be seen from miles around).
The Airport's Primary Radar is a Plessy Watchman System which I can remember was chosen years ago as it fitted in with and matched the radars at Leeming. (Well that's what was reported on local media at the time).
Thanks again.
ATC shortages
Its all airports not just here..ATC staff are expensive I would guess and if they can operate at bare minimum they will try and get away with it?? I know Birmingham had that problem recently overnight and Carlisle also ?? Newcastle are down to the bare bones and a few airports have reported closures over the last few months due staffing.
It will only get worse here.why would peel replace staff if they have no flights ?got to save money somewhere along the way !
problem is how can they continue to attract staff with the future unclear ? It will bite them in the bum...what happens if FRL get a rush job or someone wants to divert in at very short notice..
It will only get worse here.why would peel replace staff if they have no flights ?got to save money somewhere along the way !
problem is how can they continue to attract staff with the future unclear ? It will bite them in the bum...what happens if FRL get a rush job or someone wants to divert in at very short notice..
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Is DTV really going to be saved. Does it or can it have any chance of getting new routes even links air?.
Cant they tempt Ryanair in get them to run the airport they offered to run Dublin.
That. Or just close it to passenger ops.
As its Peel at least try save those jpbs by Sweet talking KLM and Eastern into moving all their DTVA flights to DSA.
Then offer staff a transfer.
Then try use it for breakers ops training n Cargo
Cant they tempt Ryanair in get them to run the airport they offered to run Dublin.
That. Or just close it to passenger ops.
As its Peel at least try save those jpbs by Sweet talking KLM and Eastern into moving all their DTVA flights to DSA.
Then offer staff a transfer.
Then try use it for breakers ops training n Cargo
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onyxcrowle I admirer your admiration and continued support for DSA but I've got to ask why do you think that either Eastern or KLM would consider setting up flights from DSA? They have the area already covered with operations from NCL, LBA and HUY.
Ryanair pulled out of MME due to the introduction of the departure tax, oh they now have a base down road at LBA now-a-days as well. Also if you worked at MME would you really want to relocate 100 or more miles south down the A1 to another peel run airport?
What ever happens I wish all thoes who currently work up at MME the very best for the future, "you'll need it!"
Ryanair pulled out of MME due to the introduction of the departure tax, oh they now have a base down road at LBA now-a-days as well. Also if you worked at MME would you really want to relocate 100 or more miles south down the A1 to another peel run airport?
What ever happens I wish all thoes who currently work up at MME the very best for the future, "you'll need it!"
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Peel news.
Some Peel news.
I doubt DTV will cross Whittakers mind much, after reading about what he's making from the BBC and other government departments. Its like a character from a James Bond movie.
Has he got a white cat?
It says that he is Camerons best friend!
Peel Holdings | The Horrendous Truth Behind Fracking
I doubt DTV will cross Whittakers mind much, after reading about what he's making from the BBC and other government departments. Its like a character from a James Bond movie.
Has he got a white cat?
It says that he is Camerons best friend!
Peel Holdings | The Horrendous Truth Behind Fracking
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Hmmm … Well I think it is fair to say that the 'Peel Holdings' link takes you to a website with an agenda! The "Horrendous Truth" Behind Fracking??? Don't expect balanced reporting from extremist political pressure groups of any persuasion.
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PEEL HOLDINGS
Well I'm nothing to do with Peel Holdings, Beafer. Indeed, I have at times stood accused here on PPRuNe of being a MAN 'fanboy', and as I'm sure you know MAN's principal local competition is LPL - a Peel operation. DSA (also Peel) is another direct MAN competitor. Having said that, I've nothing against Peel in particular; they are just a property company doing their thing.
However, it is very easy for casual observers to criticise successful businesses from a safe distance. Those funds which companies such as Peel accept from HMG are not obtained under duress. Such funds are allocated in accordance with policies pursued by your elected representatives serving what they perceive to be the national interest. You can't blame a progressive company for accepting this largesse if the politicians wish to put business their way. If you don't like that, you need to be protesting to your elected officials rather than criticising a business for taking on state-funded contracts.
On the subject of taxation, the question must be whether the company in question is in full compliance with its obligations under UK tax law as it stands. And that means the law as it exists today, not as some pressure groups would prefer it to be. If it is, then the company has done nothing wrong. If it is not, then it is incumbent upon HMRC to challenge the company and prove otherwise. The fact that some remote observers would like to see 'Company X' pay additional taxes does not necessarily mean that full compliance with the law has not been achieved. Prudent tax planning is a core concern within any major company … they have a duty to shareholders to lawfully pay what is due to the state but no more than is their obligation. Again, if observers are unhappy with that they should lobby their elected representatives for changes in legislation. No sensibly-run company is going to wilfully inflate its tax bill to put a smile on the face of afew interested agitators.
Basically, if one believes that a company is in breach of tax law, present the evidence to the appropriate authorities. But be careful not to libel them. One's dislike for a particular named company is not evidence of corporate wrongdoing on their part. Beware too of spreading innuendo about companies one may dislike in the absence of supporting evidence.
In this case, Peel Holdings is a substantial investor in UK development, much of this across the North, a region overlooked by many of its peers. Peel has been the catalyst in several transformational projects across the North - our quality of life would be noticeably diminished without them. I welcome and acknowledge these developments. In addition to this, Peel have provided employment and investment across some of the UK's most deprived regions. And, as a UK-domiciled company, Peel does pay its taxes to the UK Treasury. I have seen no evidence to indicate that Peel is not in full compliance with its tax obligations under the law. If politicians and tax authorities believe otherwise they have the authority to investigate any company or individual as they see fit.
I understand that the sad plight of MME is a matter of great concern to many readers of this thread. I too would like to see MME thrive, but that is simply not the reality at this time. Peel may be due some criticism for this - the unprecedented rejection of Thomson's business certainly raises eyebrows. But there is a big difference between criticising an operational decision such as that and suggesting that Peel Holdings should not receive public funding legitimately available for state-sponsored development initiatives. Such funds are not 'free government money given away'. They relate to very specific projects and developments which are deemed by HMG to serve the national interest. If you disapprove of regional development grants and the like, protest to your MP.
However, it is very easy for casual observers to criticise successful businesses from a safe distance. Those funds which companies such as Peel accept from HMG are not obtained under duress. Such funds are allocated in accordance with policies pursued by your elected representatives serving what they perceive to be the national interest. You can't blame a progressive company for accepting this largesse if the politicians wish to put business their way. If you don't like that, you need to be protesting to your elected officials rather than criticising a business for taking on state-funded contracts.
On the subject of taxation, the question must be whether the company in question is in full compliance with its obligations under UK tax law as it stands. And that means the law as it exists today, not as some pressure groups would prefer it to be. If it is, then the company has done nothing wrong. If it is not, then it is incumbent upon HMRC to challenge the company and prove otherwise. The fact that some remote observers would like to see 'Company X' pay additional taxes does not necessarily mean that full compliance with the law has not been achieved. Prudent tax planning is a core concern within any major company … they have a duty to shareholders to lawfully pay what is due to the state but no more than is their obligation. Again, if observers are unhappy with that they should lobby their elected representatives for changes in legislation. No sensibly-run company is going to wilfully inflate its tax bill to put a smile on the face of afew interested agitators.
Basically, if one believes that a company is in breach of tax law, present the evidence to the appropriate authorities. But be careful not to libel them. One's dislike for a particular named company is not evidence of corporate wrongdoing on their part. Beware too of spreading innuendo about companies one may dislike in the absence of supporting evidence.
In this case, Peel Holdings is a substantial investor in UK development, much of this across the North, a region overlooked by many of its peers. Peel has been the catalyst in several transformational projects across the North - our quality of life would be noticeably diminished without them. I welcome and acknowledge these developments. In addition to this, Peel have provided employment and investment across some of the UK's most deprived regions. And, as a UK-domiciled company, Peel does pay its taxes to the UK Treasury. I have seen no evidence to indicate that Peel is not in full compliance with its tax obligations under the law. If politicians and tax authorities believe otherwise they have the authority to investigate any company or individual as they see fit.
I understand that the sad plight of MME is a matter of great concern to many readers of this thread. I too would like to see MME thrive, but that is simply not the reality at this time. Peel may be due some criticism for this - the unprecedented rejection of Thomson's business certainly raises eyebrows. But there is a big difference between criticising an operational decision such as that and suggesting that Peel Holdings should not receive public funding legitimately available for state-sponsored development initiatives. Such funds are not 'free government money given away'. They relate to very specific projects and developments which are deemed by HMG to serve the national interest. If you disapprove of regional development grants and the like, protest to your MP.
