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Old 4th Nov 2013, 16:50
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Nakata77 - no, contrary to what some on here believe, the airport is not being closed, the airport is not even close to being closed, it's just diversifying away from passenger operations to focus on ancillary services.
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Hmm, I think I might have misunderstood the term ancillary services, but what I meant was any on-site operator paying the airport rent:

Cobham Aviation Services / Cobham Flight Inspection
Durham Tees Flight Training
Great North Air Ambulance
Police Air Unit
Private Aircraft Owners Group
Serco
Sycamore Aviation
TNT Express
Weston Aviation

Cobham and Serco are two powerhouses as big if not bigger than Peel, if Peel did try to close the airport, they along with the other above mentioned companies, would soon stop them.
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Sorry dtv if peel decided to close the airport it's doubtful anyone would/could stop them.what might be a possibility is that they could get together and maybe buy them out...500k anyone?
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I agree that MME will not close and I think that the services DTVAirport mentioned should be protected, but not at the expense of charter flights etc.

I would honestly like to see Peel get a massive smack in the face by TOM pulling out of DSA for Peel messing them about, I'm sure someone would fill the void, FR for one most definitely.
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Old 4th Nov 2013, 20:26
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Just a thought but... are the company that owns the land and the company that operates the airport the same company ? Alternatively, is there a way to strong arm clients and suppliers inot novating their existing contracts so as to achieve legal separation of companies ?
I'm wondering (only in theory) what could be achieved with a clever insolvency practitioner. Perhaps wind up the airport operating company, and see who bids for any lease that may exist over the land. The rationale for insolvency being that a company that is perpetually unprofitable and thus cannot pay its bills must stop trading. The result would be ownership of land but aviation activities killed off.

Only a thought and I have no reason whatsoever to believe this would happen.

Any thoughts ?
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Old 4th Nov 2013, 21:02
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Cobham and Serco are two powerhouses as big if not bigger than Peel, if Peel did try to close the airport, they along with the other above mentioned companies, would soon stop them.
SERCO may have Peel in a fight, but Cobham would get a kicking.

Also, does it matter to SERCO if MME is an active airfield? Either way, I'm sure Peel could find a way of getting what they wanted.

TNT are the only other residents of any substance, and they don't need MME to be an active airfield - the rest are lightweights.
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Old 5th Nov 2013, 21:57
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A few good points there Northbound, but Cobham tried to move elsewhere two years ago and they quickly realised it was unfeasible, and I think Cobham would easily take on Peel! The Wright Brothers may have invented aviation but Cobham more or less developed it thereafter!

I personally don't have anything to back this next statement up, other than I've heard it from multiple people, but apparently, if Peel do want the land, it's a damn sight more valuable with an airport on it, so providing they make moves to build up the airport as well, let them crack on a build whatever takes their fancy elsewhere on the site (I still think they're very limited with what they could build, if anything).

When this master plan gets released, Peel are going to have to try and pull something special out of the hat to bring in some very positive PR.
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if Peel do want the land, it's a damn sight more valuable with an airport on it,
That might be true if the airport was "Heathrow", "Narita" or "JFK". Given that it's loss making Teesside that can't make any money on Thomson (hardly the Ryanair of airport fees), I reckon it might be more valuable with some <insert random noun> on it.

Cobham and Serco are two powerhouses as big if not bigger than Peel, if Peel did try to close the airport, they along with the other above mentioned companies, would soon stop them.
What's the contract issue between Serco and Peel? It is likely to have a termination clause with some degree of compensation surely, nothing unusal in that, it's not WWIII by any means. Worst case scenario is a truncated runway with taxiway access and flog the rest. btw Galway Airport just closed for good, following Plymouth's lead and Filton and Woodford.....

Who's the remaining handling agent at MME? Did Aviance and Servisair merge into one Servisair operation?

When this master plan gets released, Peel are going to have to try and pull something special out of the hat to bring in some very positive PR.
I think PR matters not one whit here, people heard baby leaving and assumed BMI also left at the same time, the same people hear no more charters and job losses at the airport will also assume the airfield is closing. It's not PR you need to worry about, it's market credibility and presence.
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Old 6th Nov 2013, 08:25
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I am sorry to all you Peel believers out there but this is run the airport down until it is economically un-viable then do what they really what with this brown land and build on it!! I am sure Eastern and KLM will get sick eventually!!
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Hmm, I think I might have misunderstood the term ancillary services, but what I meant was any on-site operator paying the airport rent:

Cobham Aviation Services / Cobham Flight Inspection
Durham Tees Flight Training
Great North Air Ambulance
Police Air Unit
Private Aircraft Owners Group
Serco
Sycamore Aviation
TNT Express
Weston Aviation

Cobham and Serco are two powerhouses as big if not bigger than Peel, if Peel did try to close the airport, they along with the other above mentioned companies, would soon stop them.
All this list does it make it an 'Airfield', they do not make it an 'Airport'.
Could soon become another Kemble. or similar. a graveyard for redundant airframes.
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Old 6th Nov 2013, 17:47
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I see Oxford Aviation Academy have based four Cessna's at Durham this week.
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Old 7th Nov 2013, 13:08
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Saudi Air Force in today been in visiting local companys.
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Old 7th Nov 2013, 13:12
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Peel have announced in their aviation page that they have made a Huge investment in DTV with a new road to the terminal building etc.

Didnt the regional fund pay for that? Wasnt it the ONE governement agency? Are Peel making misleading points on their webpage?
Aviation - The Peel Group

Rumour has it that Peel are also after the houses on the north side of the A67 opposite the tennis land which they have just bought for £5m.
Talks have been going on with local land owners north of the A67 road.
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Old 7th Nov 2013, 13:36
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Northbound A1 you obviously don't have a clue about industry in the Teesside/ Durham area.
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Old 7th Nov 2013, 13:42
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I think you will find the Saudi G4 is far from 'Air Force Business" more like golf and shooting or what ever else the Saudi Royals/Government get up to!!
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Old 7th Nov 2013, 15:11
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Knockers out in under 6 minutes quicker than an Australian beech! And the Gulf was in for buisness.
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Old 8th Nov 2013, 10:46
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As good as a shopping mall to that extent sounds (and with good transport links, if trains stopped half hourly - and im sure a bus would work too!), I think businesses may be reluctant to investing in such an area, with it being close to Teesside Park, Darlington & Middlesbrough - all of which have a large presence of the Big Brand names.

In all honesty though, it could be a good shout; what with Peel's previous history of shopping centre management.

But, only time will tell, I suppose.
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Old 8th Nov 2013, 15:07
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As good as a shopping mall to that extent sounds (and with good transport links, if trains stopped half hourly - and im sure a bus would work too!)
I wonder if I'm the only one who sees the irony here. We have the BR rail station which became a national joke due to it's lack of use, when adjacent to DTV, potentially becoming a vital and integrated part of the transport infra structure supporting a "shopping mall development" on the DTV site, whatever next ?
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Old 8th Nov 2013, 15:38
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DTV=Shopping Mall=Profit

yes sounds like an embryo metro centre!! and unfortunately I'm sure, much more lucrative than an expanse of empty airfield ?

Tees side Park is vastly overcrowded and could do with decent competition?
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Old 8th Nov 2013, 16:40
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So who's going to use the shopping mall? There's Teesside retail park not 20 minutes away, metro centre and the designer outlets at York. I'm not seeing where a shopping mall would fit in. I don't think Darlo alone could support it and why would people travel to it?
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