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Old 22nd Oct 2012, 20:36
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On Saturday, I flew out of MME and was slightly puzzled. As one of the last passengers to go through the gate, I noticed how quiet the airside area of the terminal was, and would remain for at least the next 3 hours as the next departure was in about 4 hours time. Even at zero rent, how do all the retail outlets make any money and cover the costs of staff wages plus cost of goods sold ?

While nobody wants to be majorly overworked in their job, it seemed as if all the people working in the retail outlets would have very little to do for a considerable length of time. There is after all only so much cleaning one can do in a cafe or shelf restocking in a shop, and chat all day with colleagues eventually becomes mundane - only so much to discuss about last night's TV. So what do these people do during the quiet periods at MME ?
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Old 22nd Oct 2012, 20:53
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APD is burdensome, but I can see a slight 'advantage' for regional airports that fly to European hubs for onward connecting flights, such as CDG, or AMS as you'll only have to pay the short haul APD not the long haul flight. The big loser in this is the LHR, LGW, MAN etc.

Just a thought...
If it's a connecting flight (i.e. through ticket), there's no advantage and you pay the long haul rate.

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Old 22nd Oct 2012, 22:48
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I think Peel will spend some of that profit on DTVA if it will generate more profit for them.

Peels approach at LPL shows that airport development and property development are not mutually exclusive, but actually complementary.

Sheffield City shows what happens when the airport side doesn't work (and with the largest A/C type being Fk.50 size - it was always unlikely)
A bit of context may be needed though. Some may say that Peel had always planned to offload a majority stake in its airports division at the right time. Lowcost, high volume worked at LPL to great effect, however look at what is happening now; the two main sources for growth are scaling back at LPL for the larger airport 30 miles down the motorway. Sustainable growth? I'm under the impression however, that development land at both DSA and LPL remains under the sole ownership of Peel Holdings.

Some may also say that Sheffield City wasn't going to work once fire cover was reduced as soon as the new owners took over. These very same owners who, it must be remembered, had big plans for a former RAF base not far up the motorway, so you cannot blame them. Of course Sheffield City would make a better business park in any property developers $eyes$.

IMO, the biggest short term threat for MME is the decision not to award funding for the 'Southside Development'. Its interesting that the Pax Tax is still in existance, despite the people who imposed this charge have since offloaded the place. Will Peel Investments make a u-turn in a ploy to entice the likes of Ryanair to return?

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Old 23rd Oct 2012, 00:57
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Slightly worrying news from Manston which could affect MME.

KLM are in discussions with the Kent airport for 2 daily Schiphol rotations.

Apparently, KLM requested the airport management undertake an online survey with the public regarding demand for such a service.

They had over 9000 responses, 95% of which were positive for it to start-up.

If it does, KLM will need to source aircraft from somewhere to cover it..............
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Old 23rd Oct 2012, 12:21
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Slightly worrying news from Manston which could affect MME.

KLM are in discussions with the Kent airport for 2 daily Schiphol rotations.

Apparently, KLM requested the airport management undertake an online survey with the public regarding demand for such a service.

They had over 9000 responses, 95% of which were positive for it to start-up.

If it does, KLM will need to source aircraft from somewhere to cover it..............
I really wouldn't read too much into that.

If people in the Teesside area were asked whether they wanted flights to X, Y and Z from their local airport, I'm sure there would also be an extremely positive response. That doesn't mean to say that those same people would actually use those flights if they were offered.........

KLM are not complete mugs. Why would they cannibalise a commercially succesful route in order to establish a speculative one?
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Old 23rd Oct 2012, 13:24
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Probably the same source where they got the aircraft for the Liverpool route, i.e. not MME
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Old 24th Oct 2012, 17:44
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Spin or a realistic opportunity?

Fly that past us again (From The Northern Echo)
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Old 5th Nov 2012, 08:08
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New International North East Airport !!

Ambitious proposal for new North-East airport should spark new debate (From The Northern Echo)

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Old 5th Nov 2012, 08:44
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Ooh ! Look at all those famous architects in London looking really clever with their free publicity for designs of a new offshore airport. I want to be really important as well ! I'm just as good as Norman Foster ! And I want a knighthood like him as well ! I'm going to design a new airport and people will see I'm a genius. Oh dear - I don't live in London so the press will ignore my plans for London. I know - I'll just pretend Teesside needs a new airport ! Yes, how clever I am. Now just have to hope nobody notices there's already a big airport in Newcastle...
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Old 5th Nov 2012, 09:13
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Peterlee International

I was sure it must have been April 1st when I saw the echo article!

I can just see it now...Peterlee International....a bit like DTV international

I bet Peel will employ Mr Narey as their next spin doctor
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Old 5th Nov 2012, 10:38
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There is a degree of sense to this but only a degree! It's more ludicrous than anything else!

I do have a good potential name though:

"Boris Island - North"
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Old 5th Nov 2012, 12:50
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If the drawing is to be a replacement the terminal and stands are not big enough.

Is one of these guys Spanish?

And as a friend said to me earlier we should of kept Sunderland.
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Old 5th Nov 2012, 16:29
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He's not Spanish he's Nigerian. He hasn't been able to show his plan's until now because he was indisposed ( in prison or an asylum or busy sending e mails about lottery wins etc. )
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Old 12th Nov 2012, 19:25
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Durham Tees Valley Airport appoints new commercial director (From The Northern Echo)

Andy Foulds, who has more than 20 years’ experience in the transport industry, has described DTVA as “a success story waiting to happen”
Mr Foulds has joined the airport from the Port of Tyne Authority where he has been commercial director for the past two years, playing a key role in its growth and expansion. He has previously spent 18 years working across four continents in key roles with the international shipping group APMoller-Maersk, including spells in Singapore, South Africa and the United States.
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Old 13th Nov 2012, 06:20
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Looks like he knows the aviation industry inside out - not!
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Old 13th Nov 2012, 06:59
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Plenty experience in the freight and and distribution industry, so well fitted for the South side development. Not dirrectly relevant, but was also responsible for Cruise and Ferry development at Port of Tyne which I think has done well recently.

On the face of it, one of the more encouraging signals that Peel do mean business - but as always we'll need to wait and see.
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Old 13th Nov 2012, 09:46
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Is this a new post? I don't believe they had a "Commercial Director" before.
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Old 13th Nov 2012, 21:03
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DURHAM TEES VALLEY AIRPORT - 5

Is there any reason why RYR or EZY haven't gobbled up a decent opportunity to open up a base in Durham Tees Valley??

To me there surely must be money to be made on a select few routes??
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Old 13th Nov 2012, 21:22
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I would have thought a 1 aircraft Ryanair base would work from DTV mostly serving the key Med routes, even if it is a half arsed affair like BOH is.
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Old 13th Nov 2012, 22:07
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Is there any reason why RYR or EZY haven't gobbled up a decent opportunity to open up a base in Durham Tees Valley??
They have probably researched it and concluded it can't make any money, or they could use their equipment more profitably on other routes. At least until there is an upturn. Like DSA, the best that can be hoped for at the moment is FR summer routes from foreign bases.
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