Excelsis Airways
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However there will ALWAYS be a demand for people wanting to fly direct into the center of the City.
Belfast was dropped recently by ScotAirways as the traffic didn't materialise as a lot of Befast traffic is connecting on and there's none of that at LCY. The leisure market is best served on a cheaper option than a Do328.
Newcastle was uneconomic on a Jetstream 41 for Eastern as the landing rates discount ran out and market rates killed the yield.
Manchester has just been axed by VLM, following Liverpool last year.
Therefore, unless this operation is seriously capitalised to take losses for a long period, I doubt they'll last six months as the demand for air travel from the square mile to Middlesborough and the Tees Valley isn't that huge. They will have to charge real money to make this work and somehow I don't see that happening.
Ryanair would surely run STN-MME just for the summer to kill them off.
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For the record, I met a person on the management at DTV last week at an unrelated event and mentioned this to them, I won't name them as it was off the record, but my source told me they'd met Excelsis 3 times including at "their premises".
He didn't comment on any specifics of it but gace the impression that whilst they were very sceptical they have to be seen to do anything and everything to support any effort which may attract business. I think to be fair they are in a difficult spot whatever they say or do.
As for the "airline" don't overlook the whole amateur look, the cut and pasting of an entire Canadian airline ste and the fact that any of us could list three real people on a website, until they come out and show themselves it means nothing. By that standard I would have watched everyone from Zico to Platini at the toon and if memory serves me......
He didn't comment on any specifics of it but gace the impression that whilst they were very sceptical they have to be seen to do anything and everything to support any effort which may attract business. I think to be fair they are in a difficult spot whatever they say or do.
As for the "airline" don't overlook the whole amateur look, the cut and pasting of an entire Canadian airline ste and the fact that any of us could list three real people on a website, until they come out and show themselves it means nothing. By that standard I would have watched everyone from Zico to Platini at the toon and if memory serves me......
I met a person on the management at DTV last week at an unrelated event and mentioned this to them, I won't name them!
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Had a pint with my dad's mate at lunchtime today. He runs an engineering firm, and made the point that Teesside's engineering and chemical industries have no need to be whisked to the docklands. Their business is in the M4 corridor, or elsewhere round the world. In other words, they need a Heathrow link either for close access to the south west, or for onward connections. Flights to the docklands just adds travel time to their journey.
Penny begining to drop?
Sceptical comment from the Evening Gazette
nebusiness.co.uk - Commercial Reviews - Commercial and Industry Reviews - Chemical Industry - New airline could help Tees Valley take off
nebusiness.co.uk - Commercial Reviews - Commercial and Industry Reviews - Chemical Industry - New airline could help Tees Valley take off
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. he was previously working for eastern airlines
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I have been following developments with this so called airline for around a week now. I know someone personally who has been meeting with an 'md' of this 'venture'. This person is supplying all the telecomms for 'excelsis'.
Naturally, on hearing this, it caused me to rethink my sceptisism somewhat.
But a recent conversation with a locally based pilot, has I'm afraid set large alarm bells ringing!?
He and others present at the time were of the impression that this whole thing is a local area Grant Scam!!
Albeit a very elaborate scam, as it would have to be for the large monies involved in an airline start up. It would seem that it is working to an extent, and people/businesses have already been suckered in.
This is a rumour, but I for one can see it!
Anyone any thoughts?
Naturally, on hearing this, it caused me to rethink my sceptisism somewhat.
But a recent conversation with a locally based pilot, has I'm afraid set large alarm bells ringing!?
He and others present at the time were of the impression that this whole thing is a local area Grant Scam!!
Albeit a very elaborate scam, as it would have to be for the large monies involved in an airline start up. It would seem that it is working to an extent, and people/businesses have already been suckered in.
This is a rumour, but I for one can see it!
Anyone any thoughts?
Join Date: Oct 2005
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I wish DTVA saw more press articles like that one above from the Evening Gazette - it's perfect, I wish they'd write one related to the incompetant Management team/owners of the airport.
As for the lack of capital letters, I think it's related to the branding, bmi and a few others don't use capitals.
As for the lack of capital letters, I think it's related to the branding, bmi and a few others don't use capitals.
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Peel have finally commented on Excelsis, this article is in the September 2009 issue of Airliner World:
Originally Posted by Airliner World
A former member of British Airways cabin crew is behind a project to launch a carrier in the UK's North East. His proposed start-up, Excelsis Airways, plans to launch operations later this year from Durham Tees Valley to London City using Dash 8-Q400s. A spokesman from Peel Holdings, the owner of the airport, confirmed that tentative talks had already taken place with the operator: "We are, of course, in discussions on a regular basis with airlines on possible opportunities for services into London. We have met with Excelsis and we look forward to receiving further information and details of the services they intend to introduce."
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Well I say good luck to him to have the initiative to take it on. I think its good to see people being entrepreneurial in this country, too many old geezers who think they know better stopping people and in reality do nothing themselves apart from moan.
If this person starts an airline and succeeds then it will create economic benefits, if he fails then he fails because people don't support him and his market research is poor.
Eitherway he gets my vote for positive actions.
If this person starts an airline and succeeds then it will create economic benefits, if he fails then he fails because people don't support him and his market research is poor.
Eitherway he gets my vote for positive actions.
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Correction, the likes of bmi don't use capitals in their name, and that's fine, but when writing normal text (e.g. on the website) they write in normal English. Choosing not to use capitals in writing ordinary text is choosing "being different" over readability - it's just a rather silly affectation in my view. What next, website written in txtspk?
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Does your definition of entrepreneurial extend to doing a cut and paste from another airlines website? This is total hocus bolleaux. The airport guys have to be seen to be doing everything but this seems to be a joke too far now.
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cutting and pasting - todays entrepreneurs
yes... and think of the terrible PR if this is a legitimate start up where the CEO was cutting and pasting another airlines website, what about safety?!