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Old 19th Jan 2010, 11:56
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For use of only anyone willing to pay the silly amount they will no doubt charge to sit there......
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Old 19th Jan 2010, 12:00
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Why did they order A319s that could take more then 150 people, only to decide a few years later they just want 150 seats. Did the market change?
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Old 19th Jan 2010, 12:06
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Why did they order A319s that could take more then 150 people, only to decide a few years later they just want 150 seats. Did the market change?
You need to look a little deeper than that.....

by taking out six seats, they lose six lots of revenue per sector.....
They will increase the cost of the 12 adjacent seats to recoup that revenue as well as losing 1 member of cabin crew per flight.

The market hasn't changed, the demand is still there that they will see the same amount of people trying to buy a few seats less, increasing the fares and revenue, and saving costs by employing less cabin crew.

A clever move that will probably work financially, but will affect the service offered on board, by quite a long way.
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Old 19th Jan 2010, 12:36
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Before original A319 order was placed EZY pressed Airbus to come up with a 156 config compared to the 150 which Airbus said was max. Remember thinking at the time that another 6 seats requiring another CC didn't seem to make much sense - seems they've now come to the same conclusion!
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Old 19th Jan 2010, 13:27
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I think you will only see 150 seat config being used in the winter season on certain routes. Not in the summer time and I doubt they will go away from 156 seats permanently.
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Old 19th Jan 2010, 13:35
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The decision to go for 156 seats rather than 150 would only have made sense if Easyjet had full planes most of the time. But as their loads (including no-shows) average around 85% for a large number of flights they are carrying an extra employee for no extra revenue at all. I doubt service would be much affected as it's just going back to the B737 level of crewing.
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Old 19th Jan 2010, 14:13
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I doubt service would be much affected as it's just going back to the B737 level of crewing.
How can that be true?

removing 4% of the seats......and 25% of the cabin crew?

it HAS to affect service....

ask the cabin crew that are going to have to work 33% harder to make up for the missing crew member (the maths are correct before people ask why 33%)

i know the aircraft is certified for 3 crew members with only 150 pax but what about if an emergency were to happen and the poor crew members who have had to work harder and faster all flight are then called upon to carry out full emergency procedures......

lets hope and pray it doesnt happen because i know it WILL have an effect.
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Old 19th Jan 2010, 14:14
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Service levels probably wouldn't suffer. The A319's, in the main, operate flights with a more relaxed cabin service. i.e City destinations and shorter routes. Therefore, people aren't buying as much and hence the service is generally quicker anyway.

The A320's operate the longer routes and these are often very busy service wise and the 4th crew member is obviously very much needed for cabin service.

Easyjet management have been harping on for over a year now about crew costs and ironically the crew at EZY have been screaming at them to reduce 319 capacity in order for them to become 3 man operated.
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Old 19th Jan 2010, 16:34
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Service levels probably wouldn't suffer. The A319's, in the main, operate flights with a more relaxed cabin service. i.e City destinations and shorter routes. Therefore, people aren't buying as much and hence the service is generally quicker anyway.

The A320's operate the longer routes and these are often very busy service wise and the 4th crew member is obviously very much needed for cabin service.

Easyjet management have been harping on for over a year now about crew costs and ironically the crew at EZY have been screaming at them to reduce 319 capacity in order for them to become 3 man operated.
i quote the above on the assumption that you have never flown for a living....then you would see in general the whole post is incorrect.

Service levels would suffer inevitably, and invariably they do, on any airline that removes a crew member....

maybe not in the eyes of the passenger, but on the health of the crew members who work so much harder to keep up that service.

the crew at EZY have been screaming at them to reduce 319 capacity in order for them to become 3 man operated
I just don't buy into this argument whatsoever.....

reduce the crew, to reduce the number of employees, and reduce the prospects of career progression.

i'm sure there are hundreds of EZY crew screaming to work a lot harder!!!
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Old 19th Jan 2010, 17:23
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Saw this on the Belfast post
Heard a wee story from a dog walker in Victoria park that Easyjet will start a new route from BHD. We will find out in a week or 2
Maybe Spain or France but it will be A route that the Molly Jets wanted to do but needed the longer runway, But then we hear that all the time
Anyone know what dest it is?
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Old 19th Jan 2010, 17:37
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Fernanjet, I think your logic here is somewhat off the mark.

Most easyJet passengers don't give a stuff about the on-board service. It is not the reason why they choose to fly easyJet. The more important factor is whether removing a crew member will impact on in-flight sales revenues by more than the cost saving of the crew member's salary.

If the commission earned by the crew is then divided by three instead of divided by four, each of the remaining crew members then gets a direct incentive as a result of the reduction. Most people don't mind working harder if they get paid more.

Coupled to that, word from the easyJet crews is that they are again struggling to recruit enough cabin crew at larger bases like LGW. On some recent flights, I have suspected that the seniors would have preferred to operate with three capable crew members given their openly apparent exasperation with what seems to be a small but increasing minority of scruffy, couldn't-care-less, or downright disinterested crew members now appearing on line ostensibly to make up the numbers.
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Old 19th Jan 2010, 17:47
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Fernanjet, I think your logic here is somewhat off the mark
hmmmm....MY logic.....lets continue with your "reasoning"

Most easyJet passengers don't give a stuff about the on-board service.
Your sources...? i beg to differ having travelled quite often......i see a lot of people expecting quite a lot for the little they pay.

If the commission earned by the crew is then divided by three instead of divided by four, each of the remaining crew members then gets a direct incentive as a result of the reduction. Most people don't mind working harder if they get paid more.
You clearly have never worked as cabin crew then.......the comission increase on this allegedly quiet aircraft where people do not spend money or buy much is negligible (see MancRy at 15:14)

word from the easyJet crews is that they are again struggling to recruit enough cabin crew at larger bases like LGW
Your sources again?? - People will fall at the door to fly as cabin crew.....they always have and still do.

On some recent flights, I have suspected that the seniors would have preferred to operate with three capable crew members given their openly apparent exasperation with what seems to be a small but increasing minority of scruffy, couldn't-care-less, or downright disinterested crew members now appearing on line ostensibly to make up the numbers.
You have suspected......ie: guessed, and have no facts....

i believe you have taken an EZY flight and thought the crew looked dis-interested and come to this pathetic conclusion.

I believe your logic to be somewhere off the planet
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Bouquet coming up
Whilst I was at work today, Mrs NRU at home, using my Visa Electron Card, booked me online to the S of France and back next month.She also booked herself there on different dates [intentionally] so we overlapped for five days.
Unfortunately she screwed it up so that all the bookings were solely for me in my name.
Call to EZY Booking Centre [only 10ppm] - and all sorted by phone and correct booking names/flights etc by e mail rx'd 15 mins later all gratis.
Thanks very much Easyjet




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Old 19th Jan 2010, 19:25
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the 737's have been operating 3cc for 149 seats for over a decade with no discernable impact on crew health or customer service.
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Old 19th Jan 2010, 21:16
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So let me get this right...

U2 enter the market in 1995 with a simple no-frills carrier with a single class of seats

BA reduce fares to compete once U2 become some sort of competition

U2 go on, with FR to somewhat concur Europe

Now U2 are looking at installing basically what is a second class cabin onboard.

So basically we are now moving back in a circle - give it a couple of years and they will be offering a complimentary food service!
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Old 19th Jan 2010, 23:22
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Fernanjet........ I have been crew for 5 years, the last 2 of which have been with Easyjet. There are many crew here who believe that Easyjet were foolish to have ordered the A319 with 156 seats when that capacity requires a 4th crew member. In the last year the company has constantly cited crew costs as being higher than FR's. The crews response has been.....remove 6 seats from the A319.

Our 737 crews don't have any issues with 3 man crews so the 319's shouldn't be an issue. Service levels shouldn't be too much of an issue. There will be a slightly longer wait to be served but this will be minimal.......most crews choose to work in pairs of 2 during cabin service anyway. The increased commission would be a bonus too and career progression is not affected because there would be no reduction in SCCM's.

Many 3 man 319 routes wouldn't have any problems at all. As i said before, cabin service is often very leisurely on the City routes, busier on the leisure destinations but again 737 crews have been doing it for years. It's also worth while to note that i've been on a 3 crew LH A320.

Finally, I didn't say that people don't spend much on 319 routes. I said that on many 319 routes they don't spend as much as some of the longer distance 320 routes where cabin service is much busier.
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Old 19th Jan 2010, 23:30
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Does anyone in "in the know" know if Stansted will receive an A320 this summer to operate routes to DLM, BJV, FUE etc? Or is the plan to operate all routes ex STN on the 319?
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Have to put my two cents in here.

Today I operated a 4 sector duty with 3 crew on an A319. Only one of the 4 sectors had over 100 pax, and with it being a city destination, The cabin service did not suffer at all. 737s have been flying round, and still do at 148 capacity for a considerable time, with relatively few problems.

I do believe that easyJet should have gone for the 148 seat A319, but they didn't, and so they are now examining ways to make this pay, as in all reality, more often than not, the extra 6 seats are not needed.

Currently, we do not charge for the extra space in rows 2,3 and 4. As far as I know, there is no plan to start.

I would be glad of the extra commission that 3 crew ops would bring.

Just because there are plenty of applicants, does not make them suitable for a Cabin Crew role within easyJet. In my opinion, LGW in particular does indeed have a growing number of what I would describe as 'unsuitable for a customer service role' cabin crew.

I do have to say that I think fernanjet is misinformed, and has made innaccurate assumptions.

Regards

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Old 20th Jan 2010, 00:19
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Hi aeulad ....... as a fellow Easy crew member (MAN) thanks for validating my remarks.
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Old 20th Jan 2010, 05:18
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ironically the crew at EZY have been screaming at them to reduce 319 capacity in order for them to become 3 man operated
Read this and weep Willie Walsh, read and weep, bet he would do anything for BA crew and their union to have this kind of attitude
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