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Old 21st Dec 2013, 15:17
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Same amount of flights at lgw. The frequencies are like a bus service!
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Old 22nd Dec 2013, 13:09
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easyJet at Luton

What chance I wonder that easyJet might pick up the IOM & JER routes recently axed by Flybe from LTN?


I know EZY did have a go at the LTN-JER a while back & gave it up but perhaps a seasonal 2/3 times weekly service could be made to work?


Similarly IOM isn't served from an airport to the North of London now. With only flights to IOM from LGW & LCY that probably appeal to different passenger markets than the one that typically uses LTN, could this offer another route opportunity perhaps?
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Old 22nd Dec 2013, 23:05
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IOM

Flybe struggled to fill a Q400 on IOMLTN, I don't think that route warrants an A319. Smaller aircraft than a Q400 would work better.

Then you have the LGW. The summer schedule is not ideal for the suits on the island, which is why BA Cityflyer have stepped their schedule back up to 3xDaily M-F, the aircraft type is still to be confirmed.

What I do think would work is a series of Sun routes through the summer and from the IOMTT.

Albastar operated on behalf of Thomas Cook through August this year, and the loads were very impressive, talking 160px on average each week. We have a local travel agent who Flybe work with during the summer, and the vast majority of weeks, the Q400 is full as can be. That was with Albastar/TCX operating at the same time.

I'm just not sure what sort of schedule it would be, 1/2 per week tops.

Just a thought.
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Old 24th Dec 2013, 00:12
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DIVERT

EZY MALAGA-SOUTHEND-JUST LANDED AT LIVERPOOL,01:00 Weather must be bad at STANSTED/LUTON for this flight to have diverted half way across the country
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Old 24th Dec 2013, 00:41
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It's just 1 of 10 easyJets that have diverted to LPL tonight -the rest were from Gatwick MAN got 1 on a mayday (apparently).
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Old 24th Dec 2013, 01:34
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A few have even diverted to AMS!
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Old 24th Dec 2013, 13:33
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At least they are trying to sort things out....



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Gatwick Airport North Terminal power failure – Situational Update
Gatwick Airport has suffered a power failure which has resulted in delays and disruption to aircraft departing from the North terminal this morning. In addition strong winds and diversions overnight have resulted in aircraft being out of position for today’s schedule. easyJet is advising all passengers due to depart London Gatwick today to check our flight tracker http://www.easyjet.com/en/flight-tracker on the easyJet website or mobile app for the latest information. easyJet is doing everything possible to fly as much of the programme as we can and will cancel flights as a last option only. Passengers affected by delays and disruption are being kept updated via text messages, staff at the airport and via the website. We will continue to work with Gatwick Airport on contingency plans to minimise disruption for our passengers. Whilst this issue is outside of easyJet’s control, we apologise to passengers for any inconvenience caused and are doing everything possible to get people home for Christmas.
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Old 25th Dec 2013, 08:48
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Old 27th Dec 2013, 23:29
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NEWQUEY & EDIN DROPPED FROM FROM SUMMER TIMETABLE FROM SOUTHEND ON TOP OF BELFAST, MAYBE EXTRA AMST,BERLINs MAY TAKE THEIR PLACE
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Old 28th Dec 2013, 03:17
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Old 28th Dec 2013, 09:03
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Old 28th Dec 2013, 12:40
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EZY @ SEN

It would seem the domestic routes do not work well from Southend. To be honest I'm surprised they've kept the 2x weekly Jersey service now it goes 3x daily from Gatwick. Amsterdam seems to be a strong route with up to 3 flights per day.


It's really quite frustrating though! What we have seen with the BFS and now the EDI route is frequencies cut at Stansted as they start operating the route at Southend to then be axed with the capacity not put back into Stansted.


Now I've said this before so I know this is going to anger quite a lot of people but I'm going to say it again regardless...


EasyJet is probably going to attract little more than very local predominantly outbound leisure passengers going on popular sun, ski or city break holidays. It's a market that Southend covers very well and I'm sure will continue to do so for a very long time. But I continue to question the viability of such routes if EasyJet were to continue the likes of Alicante or Faro from Stansted.


The lack of a rail service in the morning and late evening periods is off putting to business/commuter travellers not to mention that Southend is the furthest from Central London even if it is only by 10 minutes. Furthermore the range of facilities such as hotel, car parking, transportation, shopping or business lounge options are much more limited when compared to Gatwick, Stansted etc. which further reduces the appeal to such passengers.


I believe that within time EasyJet's growth at Southend will stagnate. Maybe we are already reaching this stage. The airport will become more orientated by popular European sun, ski and city break destinations. This is already evident by the routes we have seen introduced and axed more recently at the airport.
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Old 28th Dec 2013, 15:13
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Perhaps the JER route would do better from LTN than SEN?


I know they tried the route once before but perhaps 2 or 3 flights per week during summer might stand a chance from LTN providing a North London gateway to complement the LGW flights.


LTN needs a new operator to JER so why not EZY?
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Old 28th Dec 2013, 15:55
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I believe that within time EasyJet's growth at Southend will stagnate. Maybe we are already reaching this stage. The airport will become more orientated by popular European sun, ski and city break destinations. This is already evident by the routes we have seen introduced and axed more recently at the airport.
People can travel from North / South / East and West to all the London airports............not applicable at SEN so by its very nature it is constrained.
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Old 28th Dec 2013, 16:03
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It would seem the domestic routes do not work well from Southend.
Clearly the principal reason why EDI and BFS have failed is owing to a lack of early morning / late night rail services rather than insufficient demand. This is something which the airport needs to urgently resolve. I have no doubt attempts have been made, yet already it is having an adverse impact on the success of easyJet's services from SEN. Naturally the holiday routes are less dependent on rail connectivity, hence why early morning departure / late night arrival times have not precluded their success.

EasyJet is probably going to attract little more than very local predominantly outbound leisure passengers going on popular sun, ski or city break holidays.
Why?

If the profile of routes matches this, why is this necessarily a problem? As long as there are adequate connections to London, I see absolutely no reason why a small, easy to transit through airport will not be appealing for inbound passengers and passengers from the wider London area. From the airport own surverys, 30% of the passengers originated from London in 2012. Anecdotally the AMS service has a considerable customer base of Netherlands originating passengers.

I believe that within time EasyJet's growth at Southend will stagnate.
Well that's a given! Clearly Southend will only ever be a regional airport, the potential for growth is limited. For the time being however, Southend has a useful purpose for easyJet. A lack of direct competition from Ryanair is a very strong reason to transfer routes across. Both ALC and BCN performed well from SEN in 2012 when they were operated by easyJet from STN too. Surely the initial success of these routes was a pre-requisite for the complete transfer of these routes?
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Old 28th Dec 2013, 18:05
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Clearly the principal reason why EDI and BFS have failed is owing to a lack of early morning / late night rail services rather than insufficient demand.

Naturally the holiday routes are less dependent on rail connectivity, hence why early morning departure / late night arrival times have not precluded their success.

I see your point but the lack of rail services at these times ultimately results in insufficient demand. The fact rail services to London take longer than from other airports, even if only by 10 minutes and are on a general commuter service rather than an airport service like the Gatwick or Stansted Express is also likely to effect appeal to business passengers.


Also as I mentioned the more limited options in terms of hotels, car parking, transportation, shopping or business lounge services also is likely to impact.


You are definitely right in saying holiday routes are less dependant on rail services, not to mention all those other facilities so they of course as it would seem perform much better.


If the profile of routes matches this, why is this necessarily a problem?

Because EasyJet have clearly come in with an intention to serve both domestic and business travel alongside leisure passengers and have been unsuccessful to a degree. They are now more limited to focusing on leisure based destinations which limits and reduces growth opportunities for the future.


Whilst this is much less of a consideration, it means some aircraft may have to operate quite inefficient schedules whereby the last flight may arrive at only 8 or 9pm or the first doesn't leave until 9 or 10am as there are very few short sector flights remaining. This can result into what is known as "slot sitting" where often shorter flights are scheduled simply as it is more profitable to fly something rather than nothing at all, not necessarily because the level of demand requires it. This maybe what is happening to the Amsterdam route when it goes to 3x daily in the spring.


Surely the initial success of these routes was a pre-requisite for the complete transfer of these routes?

The reality is there is one of two reasons to explain this:


1. There is not sufficient demand to support the viability of services on these routes from both airports


2. EasyJet is squeezing naturally healthier yields out of Southend by forcing this area of the market (predominantly Essex) to use Southend by closing duplicate routes at Stansted (in other words, people who would have chosen Stansted for these routes now have to go to Southend since they no longer have the choice to use Stansted if they continue to use EasyJet).


Take your pick, but my vote goes to the 2nd one. EasyJet used to fly easily up to 3x daily on Alicante, Faro etc. from Stansted alone only 2/3 years ago and now only once or twice daily from Southend. There is certainly enough demand to support the viability of these routes at both airports. Instead EasyJet clearly just chooses not to for strategic reasons.
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Old 28th Dec 2013, 18:18
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I've had cause to disagree with some of FRatSTN's comments about SEN in the past, but I must say that I broadly agree with his analysis of the EZY situation at SEN and STN. Bucket and spade routes will be the main successes from SEN, and I think these routes will be able to sustain EZY's operations from the airport. They could also try more routes to eastern Europe and Scandinavia but, again, these will mainly be leisure routes.

I also think the route to EDI would work better if the trains were available. Apparently SEN will struggle to get Network Rail to agree to allow trains to operate earlier and later because they say they need the night hours for maintenance of the track. Seems daft to me, but apparently that's the reason. So why don't SEN run an effective coach service to Stratford and Liverpool Street early and late in the day?
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Old 28th Dec 2013, 19:36
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FRatSTN

I appreciate your response, and having looked back and read some of your many previous posts about easyJet and SEN vs STN, I don't wish to start another extended debate here.

To reiterate, my fundamental point here is that from the wider London area there is huge demand for easyJet services to EDI and BFS. If early morning / late night train services to SEN become availible, I see no reason why a business traveler friendly schedule to both destinations from Southend would not be successful.

Although by no means perfect, I maintain that business traveler friendly routes have the potential to be a significant part of easyJet's operations from SEN. Much like LCY, short transit times are appreciated by business travelers and travel times to Central London (and especially Stratford and Canary Wharf) are competitive. I don't regard SENs hotel, car parking or business lounge facilities as detrimental for business travelers. The lack of success of the EDI and BFS routes, primarily owing to a lack of connectivity is not in my view sufficient evidence to write SEN off as an in effect 'leisure only' airport for easyJet.

I don't feel this is an unreasonable position - and to avoid clogging what is the easyJet thread, FRastSTN please feel free to send a private message if you want to debate this further.
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Old 28th Dec 2013, 20:57
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I think everybody should have the option to comment on this should they choose to so will post here publically as usual. I would not say a debate that is very relevant to the various markets and operations of EasyJet is clogging the thread.


The point I think you may be missing is that in any case, short transit times is not an appreciation but most often a fundamental aspect of business travel. This is reflected in EasyJet's choice of airports across it's entire network by it's strategy of using primary airports in close proximity to the city they serve.


I don't regard SENs hotel, car parking or business lounge facilities as detrimental for business travellers.

Neither do I but the point is that the larger airports have a far greater range of services aimed at different travel markets with various options available that best suit ones needs. Remember that business travellers are much less flexible than leisure and often have very specific needs which based on this, the larger airports are more likely to meet.


No one is suggesting that Southend's provision of services and facilities is detrimental but it lacks that same level of choice. In modern day aviation travel one of the most crucial aspects for a successful and profitable operation is to provide choice! This is especially applicable to business travel to suit those very specific needs!


This is why I was initially very displeased and still am to a certain degree that EasyJet cut so much capacity at Stansted, because it was taking the choice away from consumers!!


The nature of Southend mainly due to its size is that the choice of services and facilities provided cannot and will not be on par with those at the other London airports. That is why all that demand you mention to BFS and EDI from the wider London area who do have a choice of four airports are not choosing Southend!


The fact of the matter is that the rail services are unlikely to change and whilst that is likely to adversely effect the appeal to business travel, I think the root of the issue goes much further than early morning rail services from the capital.
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Old 29th Dec 2013, 00:14
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BFS route ...

The comments that suggest that the EZY SEN - BFS route has failed due the lack of an early morning train service are complete tosh in my view . The greatest demand on flights between these two cities in the morning is originating in Belfast. Therefore I contend to properly assess if a BFS SEN route is viable, a BFS based unit should have operated the route with say a 0630/0640 departure.

Personally, I sense that there is some work yet to do in convincing the travelling public that SEN is a credible alternative to the more established London airports. In the mean time easyJet is getting good uptake on leisure orientated routes by locals . The specific data will be known by easyJet ... Who are in a position to diagnose the actual position

The suggestion that AerLingus Regional are to develop some of these shorter routes needs to be given consideration , however the brand is strongly identified for flying to / from Ireland (aer Lingus) , and therefore the airport should perhaps ensure the correct brand is chosen/ attracted . As if these routes don't work if will be difficult to restart them in future .
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