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Old 20th Jun 2012, 17:44
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If Easyjet closes its Madrid base, presumably this means Easyjet will no longer have any bases in Spain, while Ryanair has about 11 bases in Spain (even if some of them are pretty small) and Vueling has 6

Yes, Spain is going through a tough time economically. Yes, profitability and return on capital is more important than being macho with the most planes flying the longest routes. But this still indicates to me that Easyjet is signalling it's giving up on the core Spanish market (i.e. people living in Spain) and ceding the territory to Ryanair and Vueling.
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Old 20th Jun 2012, 22:39
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EasyJet - 4

Can we have those aircraft back at DSA then oh n maybe give HUY a try ! . Only this time workable destinations and times !. On a totally side note I caught the back end of 'Airline' today on one of the sky channels I hadn't seen it before n it seemed recent . Leo looks way older now . Have they started making it again ?
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Old 20th Jun 2012, 23:10
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would like to see those aircraft come to SEN
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Old 21st Jun 2012, 00:33
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A sad day obviously for MAD based colleagues.

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Old 21st Jun 2012, 06:32
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Sad day for the 310 staff or so at MAD, i wish them all the best in finding future employment within the Spanish economy which currently is not too great.
Well, the question is what to do with these 6 aircraft ? Do they expand current bases or create a new one or two ?
BHX as you say has been rumoured. SEN is more than likely up there as well. I would like to see a few aircraft at CWL if im honest. That place is dying for a UK based low-cost carrier that had brand recognition in the UK. Vueling haven't been doing too badly there, but they have had to build up their entire brand and customer identity from scratch. Something that EZY would have no problem in doing as they are UK renowned in the UK.
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Old 21st Jun 2012, 06:37
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Yep - EZY will have good brand recognition in Cardiff because of their considerable presence just down the road at BRS?
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Old 21st Jun 2012, 07:54
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It is 50 miles away. Far enough to run the two. Other airports are much closer together and both still go hand-in-hand.
Put into context, LPL and MAN are around 30 miles or so apart, BHX and EMA are around 40 miles or so apart. Both co-exist, although not all EZY bases you get the point

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Old 21st Jun 2012, 07:59
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could do with a few more based in brs.
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Old 21st Jun 2012, 08:30
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Quoted by Travelmole, one of the reasons given by Easyjet for closing the base at Madrid and reducing capacity was the rise in airport charges there.

"EasyJet said charges at Madrid had more than doubled in two years and would be subject to further above inflation rises in the coming years."
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Old 21st Jun 2012, 09:06
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Ezy wil never be putting aircraft into CWL so forget that ever happening.
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Old 21st Jun 2012, 09:37
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Hopefully not too many routes will be axed from Madrid. The following could still be served by the other bases:

Basel, Berlin, Bristol, Edinburgh, Geneva, Lisbon, Liverpool, London Gatwick, London Luton, Lyon, Manchester, Milan Malpensa, Paris CDG, Rome and Toulouse.

Routes which will probably be axed. Quite a lot of competition!

Amsterdam (IB/I2, UX, KL)
Bilbao (IB, FR, UX from October)
Bordeaux (YW)
Copenhagen (IB/SK)
Heraklion (YW)
Dubrovnik
Ibiza (IB/I2/YW, UX, FR, VY)
La Coruna (YW)
Mahon (IB/I2/YW, UX, FR, VY)
Naples (I2)
Olbia (YW)
Venice (IB)
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Old 21st Jun 2012, 11:32
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Manchester to Madrid finishes in October
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Old 21st Jun 2012, 11:34
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September.
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Old 21st Jun 2012, 11:48
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Sorry thanks for the correction
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Old 21st Jun 2012, 16:04
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I stand to be corrected if needs be, but I was told this morning that all MAD routes are zeroed out from September, but that it does not mean all MAD routes are to be canned.

Sounds like some schedule jiggling might be being looked into. I guess things will become more clear over the next few days, but my feeling from this morning's chat is that MAN is not necessarily dropped for good.

Watch this space...
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Old 21st Jun 2012, 20:23
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Not suprised really. Iberia have also dropped MAN-MAD as well.
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Old 23rd Jun 2012, 10:00
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Not a surprise really. The base never ever made a positive contribution to easyJet results. They should not have opened it at the first place...

Low costs at network carriers hub rarely make money (except U2 at CDG because of AIRFRANCE non sense, or Ryanair at DUB vs. a previously very weak EI), contrary when entering rich secondary cities (GVA, MIL, BCN, BER etc). Plus low yield market, plus most competitive hub airport in Europe with Ryanair AND easyJet plus IB express and Vueling, plus internal mistakes (some ridiculous routes such as BOD, SOF, or OTP; bad revenue management with all their VFR or summer only routes always sold out 2 weeks before departure), plus the environment (e.g. arab spring killed their good morocan routes), plus future taxes increase etc etc

Re-SEN, they won't switch aircraft from underperforming bases to underperforming bases. It will go to their good countries where competition is weak and corporate demand strong i.e. France (probably 3 or 4 ac), Italy (2) and Swiss (1 each for BSL/GVA). I doubt the UK will get any.
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Old 23rd Jun 2012, 10:06
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Who knows. Could be anywhere

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Old 23rd Jun 2012, 10:17
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If the UK gets any then that undermines the APD Tax argument.
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Old 23rd Jun 2012, 10:33
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h&s - you mention that LCCs rarely make money at network carrier hubs.
While not strictly a hub, British Airways has for many many years been a major player at London Gatwick - until the sale in 2007 of GB Airways to Easyjet, British Airways was the dominant airline at Gatwick. While BA like all airlines has had its good and bad years, it would be difficult to describe it pre 2007 as a particularly weak or badly managed airline

Using your argument, how did Easyjet manage to make money at Gatwick pre 2007 ?

In addition, how does Norwegian manage to compete out of Oslo, Copenhagen and Stockholm ? Air Berlin at Dusseldorf, Munich or Zurich ? Niki (now AB) at Vienna ?

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