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Godfrey - there are 2 flights LGW-SMI for S11 - one operated by Tor-air departing LGW 0620 returning to the UK via LXS, and the TUI flight which is direct - both on Thursdays - pm for more detail
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I was talking to an ex Viking cabin crew member (who was also Excel) and she still has many close friends ex Viking/Excel and many of them have been contacted asking if the want to join TorAir, none of them have accepted, mmm wonder why 
And also a TorAir A/C was supposedly in-pounded in Southend for not paying the bills for a A/C livery paint (this apparently was last week).
And also a TorAir A/C was supposedly in-pounded in Southend for not paying the bills for a A/C livery paint (this apparently was last week).
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And also a TorAir A/C was supposedly in-pounded in Southend for not paying the bills for a A/C livery paint (this apparently was last week).
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If ex XL/Viking crew are being contacted by TorAir is is not illegal, data protection or whatever, for a (past) employer to divulge such personal contact information(s) to a third party?
Can somebody be sued here?
Can somebody be sued here?
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[FONT=Garamond]for your info guys the MAN-GOT flights (TOR Air) is being operated by a Balkan a320 for the moment,
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And also a TorAir A/C was supposedly in-pounded in Southend for not paying the bills for a A/C livery paint (this apparently was last week).
And also a TorAir A/C was supposedly in-pounded in Southend for not paying the bills for a A/C livery paint (this apparently was last week).
Careful, unsubstantiated allegations can be damaging.
If ex XL/Viking crew are being contacted by TorAir is is not illegal, data protection or whatever, for a (past) employer to divulge such personal contact information(s) to a third party?
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Not as simple as that
I think what some of you underestimate is that there just isn't the capacity around for tour operators and the like to contract. You try finding a net rate at a decent price from some of the bigger players, not only that but believe it or not some of them turn down work because they don't have crews to crew their aircraft.
Some of them may not like working with TorAir/Viking etc, much in the same way I hate flying with Ryanair, but there are few choices also they have to consider as a commercial 'risk' it MAY be better to do so to facilitate them making money not necessarily on the seats per se but maybe on the holiday they are also flogging.
Much in the same way, from a crew perspective - it may actually suit some to be based somewhere near where they live as opposed to having a long commute or working away from 'home' - OK so they have to go figure whether working 6 months and only getting paid for 5 is an attractive proposition .....especially if this is the 3rd time !
Seems to me there are lots of cabin crew jobs around, the pilots may not be so lucky
Some of them may not like working with TorAir/Viking etc, much in the same way I hate flying with Ryanair, but there are few choices also they have to consider as a commercial 'risk' it MAY be better to do so to facilitate them making money not necessarily on the seats per se but maybe on the holiday they are also flogging.
Much in the same way, from a crew perspective - it may actually suit some to be based somewhere near where they live as opposed to having a long commute or working away from 'home' - OK so they have to go figure whether working 6 months and only getting paid for 5 is an attractive proposition .....especially if this is the 3rd time !
Seems to me there are lots of cabin crew jobs around, the pilots may not be so lucky
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Dont think the "contacting and offering of jobs" is illegal as made out above. I for one would always be grateful that a former employer / manager etc would think of me to offer a position in new companies / ventures.... Always nice to feel wanted and its only a phonecall after all you are not being forced against your will to join up!!!!
If I didnt like it then " thanks but no thanks" would suffice...
If however it was a viable option for me then I would be happy to accept.
I for one hope that Tor CONTINUES as it has done so far (since 2008) and that the move into the UK market is a success...
and its only a phonecall after all you are not being forced against your will to join up!!!!If I didnt like it then " thanks but no thanks" would suffice...
If however it was a viable option for me then I would be happy to accept.
I for one hope that Tor CONTINUES as it has done so far (since 2008) and that the move into the UK market is a success...
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well Gemsta, I don't think you measure the problem. Here is a guy who keeps failing and is allowed to start all over again and again and again. The Excel bankrupcy may have been due to economic circumstances but remember, rebranding, new colours new uniforms, shopping spree (airlines abroad), sponsoring of a football team and lots of directors paid £1 million plus.....
Then comes Viking , Phil Wyatt reappears things seems to be ok when one of the main client collapses in dodgy circumstances. And then Viking dissappeared in even more dodgy circumstances owing money to its staff.....and then TOR appears....with what money and who behing Phil Wyatt. I tell you Gemsta any T/O who would give TOR air any work is irresponsible. And I have a great pleasure to see TOR aircraft being on the ground when I am about to take off.
If you look at the TOR fleet, there is one B737 registered in Sweden. I always wonder why Sweden which is so modern, wealthy and upmarket...has had so many dodgy airlines in the past....But this not the subject. And then there 2 more aircrafts each one coming from a different country both not renowned for their airline expertise....
So yes I find it unfair that such a dodgy outfit is allowed to re-surface on the back od lots of money that people are still owed and tries to get the people owed money to work for them again....
Then comes Viking , Phil Wyatt reappears things seems to be ok when one of the main client collapses in dodgy circumstances. And then Viking dissappeared in even more dodgy circumstances owing money to its staff.....and then TOR appears....with what money and who behing Phil Wyatt. I tell you Gemsta any T/O who would give TOR air any work is irresponsible. And I have a great pleasure to see TOR aircraft being on the ground when I am about to take off.
If you look at the TOR fleet, there is one B737 registered in Sweden. I always wonder why Sweden which is so modern, wealthy and upmarket...has had so many dodgy airlines in the past....But this not the subject. And then there 2 more aircrafts each one coming from a different country both not renowned for their airline expertise....
So yes I find it unfair that such a dodgy outfit is allowed to re-surface on the back od lots of money that people are still owed and tries to get the people owed money to work for them again....
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Guys can we please put this into some kind of prospective.
Ok, yes, people are owed monies, yes he and his clan is obviously connected in some way but lets look at a few things.
Firstly, TOR Air were about before Viking went, yes they were plodding along and now they have a chance for expansion with what looks to be investment from the same people behind viking.
Business is Business and they are only in it to make money, the way the world works. Many companies close and reopen as something else all the time so this is not something new, just happens to be reported more as it affects more people, both staff and customers.
Whilst TOR Air is selling seats directly, the bulk of their business is sold directly through tour operators who have chartered the flights and therefore TOR Air should have their costs covered as seats bought in bulk. So if they sell the whole flight but the tour operator only sells 50 seats, it shouldn't make a difference to the actual airline, its the tour operator who bear the cost.
Unless of course there is some kind of agreement that TOR Air have with them that they can give back their unsold seats, very unlikley though.
I personally whish them well and those that are being contacted to see if they want a job, its you choice, take it or leave it, no one is forcing you to work for them, but for others, some enjoy this kind of set up and will take it for what it is, whether it lasts a year or 10yrs.
I've been there and got the t-shirt with another outfit that came out of sweden but if they restarted and i was asked to go back, i'd probably consider it but only take it for what it is and have fun because it was probably the funniest job i have ever had, yes i was out of pocket but it would be the same with any other company if they went bust.
For those keep going on about how much they lost, this shouldn't be allowed, get a grip and get on with it or if it really upsets you that much, go and protest outside your MP's house and tell them how much the world owes you.
There are bigger things in life to worry about and whilst it is not nice, it happens every day to people.
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Ok, yes, people are owed monies, yes he and his clan is obviously connected in some way but lets look at a few things.
Firstly, TOR Air were about before Viking went, yes they were plodding along and now they have a chance for expansion with what looks to be investment from the same people behind viking.
Business is Business and they are only in it to make money, the way the world works. Many companies close and reopen as something else all the time so this is not something new, just happens to be reported more as it affects more people, both staff and customers.
Whilst TOR Air is selling seats directly, the bulk of their business is sold directly through tour operators who have chartered the flights and therefore TOR Air should have their costs covered as seats bought in bulk. So if they sell the whole flight but the tour operator only sells 50 seats, it shouldn't make a difference to the actual airline, its the tour operator who bear the cost.
Unless of course there is some kind of agreement that TOR Air have with them that they can give back their unsold seats, very unlikley though.
I personally whish them well and those that are being contacted to see if they want a job, its you choice, take it or leave it, no one is forcing you to work for them, but for others, some enjoy this kind of set up and will take it for what it is, whether it lasts a year or 10yrs.
I've been there and got the t-shirt with another outfit that came out of sweden but if they restarted and i was asked to go back, i'd probably consider it but only take it for what it is and have fun because it was probably the funniest job i have ever had, yes i was out of pocket but it would be the same with any other company if they went bust.
For those keep going on about how much they lost, this shouldn't be allowed, get a grip and get on with it or if it really upsets you that much, go and protest outside your MP's house and tell them how much the world owes you.
There are bigger things in life to worry about and whilst it is not nice, it happens every day to people.
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Quote:-For those keep going on about how much they lost, this shouldn't be allowed, get a grip and get on with it or if it really upsets you that much, go and protest outside your MP's house and tell them how much the world owes you.
There are bigger things in life to worry about and whilst it is not nice, it happens every day to people
I would agree with you were it not for the fact that the ex Viking management have not bankrupted Viking VIP the company that employed the Viking staff, if they did the staff could get some money from the govenment redundency program.
So now you might see why the actions (or lack of action) of the ex-viking management are the subject of so much anger.
Viking VIP is a shell company that is going nowere and it would not cost the ex viking management a penny to bankrupt but they have not done this and are preventing the ex staff geting the govenment money that is due to them.
Those of you who are are thinking of taking a job with Tor air should keep this in mind when budgeting in the future. I do understand that any job is better than no job but go in with your eyes open and expect to be short of payment in the long run.
There are bigger things in life to worry about and whilst it is not nice, it happens every day to people
I would agree with you were it not for the fact that the ex Viking management have not bankrupted Viking VIP the company that employed the Viking staff, if they did the staff could get some money from the govenment redundency program.
So now you might see why the actions (or lack of action) of the ex-viking management are the subject of so much anger.
Viking VIP is a shell company that is going nowere and it would not cost the ex viking management a penny to bankrupt but they have not done this and are preventing the ex staff geting the govenment money that is due to them.
Those of you who are are thinking of taking a job with Tor air should keep this in mind when budgeting in the future. I do understand that any job is better than no job but go in with your eyes open and expect to be short of payment in the long run.
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Agree with you A & C.
How is Tor Air doing this summer so far. Is it the same desperate sad story of Viking holding up passengers so keen to get on their hard earned hols, or is it proving to be reliable (I hope)?
How is Tor Air doing this summer so far. Is it the same desperate sad story of Viking holding up passengers so keen to get on their hard earned hols, or is it proving to be reliable (I hope)?
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Well to get a good idea of how they are doing, the Air Travel forum on Trip Advisor should do the trick if you do a search on Tor Air.
It would appear one particular Leopard isn't very good at changing it's spots.
It would appear one particular Leopard isn't very good at changing it's spots.
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Hi,
As mentioned on the theTor air thread the difficulty is that Viking was a Swedish Airline therefore the British system did not apply.
I have flown with a girl who worked for both Viking and Viking hellas and in both cases was not paid her last wages being owed over £3000 in total.
They as a group tried to do something but not much could be done because none were under british juridiction.
i left Gatwick on Tuesday and saw a Viking Hellas jet taxying....it made me cringe..
As mentioned on the theTor air thread the difficulty is that Viking was a Swedish Airline therefore the British system did not apply.
I have flown with a girl who worked for both Viking and Viking hellas and in both cases was not paid her last wages being owed over £3000 in total.
They as a group tried to do something but not much could be done because none were under british juridiction.
i left Gatwick on Tuesday and saw a Viking Hellas jet taxying....it made me cringe..
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Just found this thread after a search on a CL600 at OXF (G-NREG), and noticed there seems a link between the registered owners of G-NREG (from G-INFO) and a dissolved company called skymiddleeast uk ltd. which is listed as having a director by the name of Halldor Sigurdarson. Is this the same person who was involved with Meridian Aviation ?
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Former XL Leisure boss facing £4m legal action
The former boss of collapsed operator XL Leisure is facing a £4m legal action over his involvement with Goldtrail, which went bust in 2010.
Legal papers have been served on Phil Wyatt, accusing him of "providing dishonest assistance" to Goldtrail owner, Abdulkadir Aydin.
The collapse of Goldtrail at the start of the peak summer season cost the Air Travel Trust Fund almost £25m and forced the CAA to repatriate 23,500 passengers and refund more than 75,000 with forward bookings.
Wyatt is accused of advising Aydin, together with two associates from his investment vehicle Black Pearl, on the removal of funds from Goldtrail and the transfer of deposits to an offshore account in the Seychelles five months before the company was placed in administration.
Of the total £4m being sought by Goldtrail"s liquidators, the claim against Mr Wyatt and his associates is £1.4m. It is also thought another Turkish airline is being pursued.
Goldtrail's liquidators PwC, led by administrator Ian Oakley-Smith, have served Wyatt with an order to appear in court and it is waiting for his response.
Aydin is accused of "breaching his fiduciary duty and making unlawful dividend payments", but PwC has been unable so far to serve court papers on Aydin, who is a Turkish national.
Wyatt has also been linked to other failed ventures, including Viking Airlines AB which suspended services from the UK in October 2010, and Tor Air, which collapsed last December.
Legal papers have been served on Phil Wyatt, accusing him of "providing dishonest assistance" to Goldtrail owner, Abdulkadir Aydin.
The collapse of Goldtrail at the start of the peak summer season cost the Air Travel Trust Fund almost £25m and forced the CAA to repatriate 23,500 passengers and refund more than 75,000 with forward bookings.
Wyatt is accused of advising Aydin, together with two associates from his investment vehicle Black Pearl, on the removal of funds from Goldtrail and the transfer of deposits to an offshore account in the Seychelles five months before the company was placed in administration.
Of the total £4m being sought by Goldtrail"s liquidators, the claim against Mr Wyatt and his associates is £1.4m. It is also thought another Turkish airline is being pursued.
Goldtrail's liquidators PwC, led by administrator Ian Oakley-Smith, have served Wyatt with an order to appear in court and it is waiting for his response.
Aydin is accused of "breaching his fiduciary duty and making unlawful dividend payments", but PwC has been unable so far to serve court papers on Aydin, who is a Turkish national.
Wyatt has also been linked to other failed ventures, including Viking Airlines AB which suspended services from the UK in October 2010, and Tor Air, which collapsed last December.
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I sympathise with your predicament. If it was me, I certainly would feel exactly the same.
Suppose you could always send him a pm 'of support
' if you read post 338 on this thread.
Suppose you could always send him a pm 'of support
' if you read post 338 on this thread.
Per Ardua ad Astraeus
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......or pop over to where he lives - mind you, it's not HIS house, of course. I guess he has very few 'assets'. If you want the address...........................