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Kiss Them Goodbye
With the news of Kiss going under and Viking reducing its fleet by three aircraft a number of UK airports - most notably Gatwick, Manchester, East Midlands and Newcastle are going to see their passenger numbers fall even more over the next few months.
I do hope that people in the know so to speak did not book with Flight Options (Kiss) would not have touched them with a barge pole after the XL debacle.
I do hope that people in the know so to speak did not book with Flight Options (Kiss) would not have touched them with a barge pole after the XL debacle.
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As Wazzoo said
Viking have NOT gone bust one of there customers have
I Know there are many anti Viking people but at the end of the day they have provided jobs for a good number of People so lets back off and let them get on with the Job
VIKING GONE Bust is NOT an appropriate Title and I hope the Moderators will re direct //Amend the Forum
Best of luck to all involved
Viking have NOT gone bust one of there customers have
I Know there are many anti Viking people but at the end of the day they have provided jobs for a good number of People so lets back off and let them get on with the Job
VIKING GONE Bust is NOT an appropriate Title and I hope the Moderators will re direct //Amend the Forum
Best of luck to all involved
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I am not going to waste my breath on this old chestnut. But i raised this issue during the Pegasus / Viking Airlines debate a week or so ago.
http://www.pprune.org/airlines-airpo...ml#post5853229
I wish people would understand that when they type such posts on a popular forum it actually has negative impact on the related airline. These rumours puts passengers off flying with them and tour operators chartering their aircraft.
On the other hand journalists do visit these forums on a regular basis and uses these false statements as fact without investigating thoroughly. It wouldn't be the first time in an incident that a Pprune thread has been quoted.
For the second time in as many weeks Viking Airlines have not gone bust.
Now back to whats really important
Which airports are likely to see the reduction in flights due to Kiss flights entering administration?
http://www.pprune.org/airlines-airpo...ml#post5853229
I wish people would understand that when they type such posts on a popular forum it actually has negative impact on the related airline. These rumours puts passengers off flying with them and tour operators chartering their aircraft.
On the other hand journalists do visit these forums on a regular basis and uses these false statements as fact without investigating thoroughly. It wouldn't be the first time in an incident that a Pprune thread has been quoted.
For the second time in as many weeks Viking Airlines have not gone bust.
Now back to whats really important
Which airports are likely to see the reduction in flights due to Kiss flights entering administration?
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The most important question hasn't been asked or answered. How many seats allocations does Kiss hold on Vikings summer programme ? When Goldtrail failed it had 30.000 seats on Viking. I suspect Kiss has a much larger allocation. If the airline has to operate the flights without getting payment for Kiss' allocation (the now empty seats), how is it going to make ends meet ? Goldtrail was already a major blow for Viking. Kiss might be Vikings 'Kiss Of Death'. Sorry tosay, but we have been here before (remember XL) ? Put PW will re-emerge with yet another airline and the tour operators will once again hand over their cash 
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- 99% of all seats are bought by kiss
Another complicating factor is that VIKING do not have an ATOL licence. Do you really think that travel agents are going to book with them ? If the airline fails, the travel agents are out of pocket, as the CAA will only cover ATOL protected packages.
I hope they will stay in business, for the passenger's sake. But I have a feeling we will see more crocodile tears before long.
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Quote:
- 99% of all seats are bought by kiss
If 99% of all seats are no longer paid for by KISS, what does that tell you ? You don't have to be a chartered accountant to work that one out !
Another complicating factor is that VIKING do not have an ATOL licence. Do you really think that travel agents are going to book with them ? If the airline fails, the travel agents are out of pocket, as the CAA will only cover ATOL protected packages.
I hope they will stay in business, for the passenger's sake. But I have a feeling we will see more crocodile tears before long.
- 99% of all seats are bought by kiss
If 99% of all seats are no longer paid for by KISS, what does that tell you ? You don't have to be a chartered accountant to work that one out !
Another complicating factor is that VIKING do not have an ATOL licence. Do you really think that travel agents are going to book with them ? If the airline fails, the travel agents are out of pocket, as the CAA will only cover ATOL protected packages.
I hope they will stay in business, for the passenger's sake. But I have a feeling we will see more crocodile tears before long.
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Dear mathers_wales_uk
I think you may have misread the thread I started last week, there is a world of difference between heading a thread
"Pegasus airlines scheduled airline failure insurance withdrawn this morning. "
Followed by: "Any ideas why ? I thought Pegasus was one of the better, more profitable turkish airlines."
and "Viking Airlines gone bust?"
just to put the record straight and add my commiserations to those colleagues chosen for the chop by the beleagured Viking management.
I think you may have misread the thread I started last week, there is a world of difference between heading a thread
"Pegasus airlines scheduled airline failure insurance withdrawn this morning. "
Followed by: "Any ideas why ? I thought Pegasus was one of the better, more profitable turkish airlines."
and "Viking Airlines gone bust?"
just to put the record straight and add my commiserations to those colleagues chosen for the chop by the beleagured Viking management.
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Please, people... stop playing with people's jobs. Kiss DO/DID NOT buy 99% of seats on VIK / VKH.
VIK AB will still operate 6 Aircraft (will reduce by 3), VKH Hellas will still operate 3.
VIK AB has 1 Aircraft on healthy lease in France, 1 other flies a full enthnic line, 2 will remain on other full charter for customers like Mark Warner / Gambia Experience, 1 B733 leased to Viking Hellas, and 1 of the B733's was planned into early maintenance in the next 2 weeks anyway, that's the 6!
VKH Hellas has 1 Aircraft on healthy lease in France, 1 Aircraft (owned) that flies a 4 day a week ethnic line and the other two operate for various Swiss / German Tour operators.
So lets get the facts before trying to put 300 people out of work shall we???
VIK AB will still operate 6 Aircraft (will reduce by 3), VKH Hellas will still operate 3.
VIK AB has 1 Aircraft on healthy lease in France, 1 other flies a full enthnic line, 2 will remain on other full charter for customers like Mark Warner / Gambia Experience, 1 B733 leased to Viking Hellas, and 1 of the B733's was planned into early maintenance in the next 2 weeks anyway, that's the 6!
VKH Hellas has 1 Aircraft on healthy lease in France, 1 Aircraft (owned) that flies a 4 day a week ethnic line and the other two operate for various Swiss / German Tour operators.
So lets get the facts before trying to put 300 people out of work shall we???
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Have just spoken to an ex colleague who works for Viking at manchester. Strangely enough and coincidentally last week some of the flight prefixes for the UK operation were changed from VIK to VKH, (Viking Helas), which is the greek part of the Viking operation.
Now Kiss Flights has gone bust, the 3 Canadian Sunwing Aircraft that were operating Kiss Flights with the VIK Flight Prefixes are being sent back immediately.
Think the writing is pretty much on the wall for the UK Operation, and the Central European operation will continue and yet again will be protected just like the XL Operation, where XL Uk went down and XLF and XL Germany continued.
Good old PW does it again!!
Now Kiss Flights has gone bust, the 3 Canadian Sunwing Aircraft that were operating Kiss Flights with the VIK Flight Prefixes are being sent back immediately.
Think the writing is pretty much on the wall for the UK Operation, and the Central European operation will continue and yet again will be protected just like the XL Operation, where XL Uk went down and XLF and XL Germany continued.
Good old PW does it again!!
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the only flights kiss do not have a +90% allocation is the kalamata and preveza flights, which are mark warner and Olympic respectively.
All other flights from Manchester are Kiss, these include Sharm el Shiek, Rhodes, Las Palmas, Zakynthos, Heraklion, Kos, Corfu, Athens etc..
and my jobs on the line so im not messing about.
Have just spoken to an ex colleague who works for Viking at manchester. Strangely enough and coincidentally last week all the flight prefixes for the UK operation were changed from VIK to VKH, (Viking Helas), which is the greek part of the Viking operation.
thats wrong, both perfixes are still used today, both was simultaneously used from the past 6 weeks as per viking directive.
All other flights from Manchester are Kiss, these include Sharm el Shiek, Rhodes, Las Palmas, Zakynthos, Heraklion, Kos, Corfu, Athens etc..
and my jobs on the line so im not messing about.
Have just spoken to an ex colleague who works for Viking at manchester. Strangely enough and coincidentally last week all the flight prefixes for the UK operation were changed from VIK to VKH, (Viking Helas), which is the greek part of the Viking operation.
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What happened then and is happening again now is that people are saying that Viking are going bust. If they do then i for one will be sorry to see them go.
Are viking airways still operational? Yes they are
Same as last week when it was asked if either pegasus or viking had gone bust due to the airline failure insurance being withdrawn.
All that is needed to be done is to check the airline website in question and if it is down or have a press release stating that it has ceased trading then it has done. Why can't people check the CAA website instead of speculating and causing further negative impact to the airlines.
I would suggest a ban on discussion of Viking airlines unless people can provide hard facts
Are viking airways still operational? Yes they are
Same as last week when it was asked if either pegasus or viking had gone bust due to the airline failure insurance being withdrawn.
All that is needed to be done is to check the airline website in question and if it is down or have a press release stating that it has ceased trading then it has done. Why can't people check the CAA website instead of speculating and causing further negative impact to the airlines.
I would suggest a ban on discussion of Viking airlines unless people can provide hard facts
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Mather Wales
Here's a fact....crew at Viking been told an announcement about the UK Operation will be made at 1800L tomorrow.
CAA have announced that flights for Kiss will operate until 1800 Hrs tomorrow after that no more........
Work that one out!!!
Here's a fact....crew at Viking been told an announcement about the UK Operation will be made at 1800L tomorrow.
CAA have announced that flights for Kiss will operate until 1800 Hrs tomorrow after that no more........
Work that one out!!!
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Sorry, but you are asking for FACTS, so I will give them (same as my post above).
Dalmation - Flight number change last week, that is NOT true. 3 Sunwing Aircraft to be returned were operating on VIK flight numbers, again NOT true, 2 were, 1 wasn't. 3 Aircraft being sent back immediately, again NOT true. FYI, the UK operation will still have 5 based Aircraft.
Button - All other flights ex MAN are Kiss, sorry, again not true. There are 2 Aircraft based in MAN, one as you mentioned, the other operates (and will continue to) NO Kiss flights at all.
Mathers - a ban on talk on Viking unless they have FACTS would go down a treat, may even stop a few hundered from losing their jobs because of the rubbish written on here...
Dalmation - Flight number change last week, that is NOT true. 3 Sunwing Aircraft to be returned were operating on VIK flight numbers, again NOT true, 2 were, 1 wasn't. 3 Aircraft being sent back immediately, again NOT true. FYI, the UK operation will still have 5 based Aircraft.
Button - All other flights ex MAN are Kiss, sorry, again not true. There are 2 Aircraft based in MAN, one as you mentioned, the other operates (and will continue to) NO Kiss flights at all.
Mathers - a ban on talk on Viking unless they have FACTS would go down a treat, may even stop a few hundered from losing their jobs because of the rubbish written on here...
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Dalmation - nothing needs working out, the announcements are out, all seem to have found their way on here already...
The CAA have not stated that all flights will operate till 1800 tomorrow, then no more, the CAA have in fact stated that they will carry all Kiss passenger OUTBOUND until 1800 tomorrow and then there will be no more Kiss passengers allowed to travel OUT. They have also stated that they will carry all pax INBOUND for at least 7 days (but I dont think that has hit you frontline gossip / know-all's just yet).
Spin me a few more rumours and i'll answer those for you as well if you like...?
The CAA have not stated that all flights will operate till 1800 tomorrow, then no more, the CAA have in fact stated that they will carry all Kiss passenger OUTBOUND until 1800 tomorrow and then there will be no more Kiss passengers allowed to travel OUT. They have also stated that they will carry all pax INBOUND for at least 7 days (but I dont think that has hit you frontline gossip / know-all's just yet).
Spin me a few more rumours and i'll answer those for you as well if you like...?
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Viking Fact
While one of Viking’s tour operating customers, Flight Options, (Kiss Flights) has unfortunately gone into administration, Viking is financially healthy and is set to continue its normal UK operations.
Full article & source Viking Airlines
Kiss Flights Fact
London-based travel company Flight Options Limited, trading principally as Kiss Flights, ceased trading this evening, and the Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) has stepped in to protect holidaymakers.
Advice for Flight Options / Kiss Flights customers with flights leaving the UK before 1800 BST on Wednesday 18 August 2010
These flights will operate as planned, and passengers should go to the airport and check in as normal.
Full article & source Civil Aviation Authority
Everything else is just rumour and speculation which will and is having a negative impact.
While one of Viking’s tour operating customers, Flight Options, (Kiss Flights) has unfortunately gone into administration, Viking is financially healthy and is set to continue its normal UK operations.
Full article & source Viking Airlines
Kiss Flights Fact
London-based travel company Flight Options Limited, trading principally as Kiss Flights, ceased trading this evening, and the Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) has stepped in to protect holidaymakers.
Advice for Flight Options / Kiss Flights customers with flights leaving the UK before 1800 BST on Wednesday 18 August 2010
These flights will operate as planned, and passengers should go to the airport and check in as normal.
Full article & source Civil Aviation Authority
Everything else is just rumour and speculation which will and is having a negative impact.