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Old 10th Sep 2017, 19:01
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I was only joking. I'm not really a miserable git. I'm just as frustrated by some poster's fanciful dreams.
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Old 10th Sep 2017, 21:43
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Originally Posted by DanAir89
love a bit of Dan Air chat but can't believe I'm not the only one who remembers their flight numbers. My "favourite" being DA89xx, the positioning flight number with the last two letters of the aircraft reg.

And DA51T, used when they used to spend endless hours driving a 737 or similar round the circuit.
Thinking about the DA89XX, something is telling me they used different numbers for different types? I definitely remember DA79XX and DA99XX being used. Might just have been if they had two or three positioning flights in the air at the same time though.
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Getting back to possible route announcements for next summer, I will be surprised if Naples is not one of them.
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Old 10th Sep 2017, 22:43
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Don't get me wrong... But:

- Great news about TOM to SKG, but in actual fact:
--- There is no net increase as it is a simple swap of the Thursday morning FAO rotation that is being dropped
--- WHY do airlines insist on doing this, Jet2 got there first, so naturally TOM jumps onboard as well. How well did that go in Funchal? (Granted, that was LS jumping on TOM's turf - but they still lost) and how well did that go for TCX in Almeria? TCX in Paphos?

Why didn't Thomson go for Mykonos instead? Unserved and more high end. Right up their street

I hope to GOD that Naples is not announced for summer 2018 with easyJet, Ryanair, Jet2 or whoever it may be. Thomson has literally just doubled capacity on NCL-NAP... I for one, don't want that compromised

Rome, maybe. I think that could support a LCC as well as LS. Say 2/3 FR to Ciampino
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Old 11th Sep 2017, 05:35
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Originally Posted by jensdad
And DA51T, used when they used to spend endless hours driving a 737 or similar round the circuit.
Thinking about the DA89XX, something is telling me they used different numbers for different types? I definitely remember DA79XX and DA99XX being used. Might just have been if they had two or three positioning flights in the air at the same time though.
I think you are right - I went for the one I remembered most but there was definitely DA79. One for each aircraft type could have taken quite a few blocks up! Could one have been from NCL the other to NCL? On the subject of 737's was G-BLDE the best performing 737 hence it being based at NCL (the most northern base) for most of 84-90?

On SKG given the capacity on FAO now probably a decent move. PMI seems to be down to 3 TUI flights so perhaps Ryanair have had an impact on them. SKG was a route that was served from NCL from the 80's until Thomson dropped it a few years ago. There is a quite an impressive Family Life hotel there amongst others so it's probably got much wider appeal than Mykonos. I considerd flying from EMA or MAN in the past couple of years to get there but settled for the geordie staple of Spain! NB Paramount MD83's did SKG in the good old 80's and Dan air may have done it one year........

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Old 11th Sep 2017, 06:57
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Of Dan Airs 737-200s DE was one of 2 dash 17A powered aircraft which were the most effective to use from a shortish runway in the north of England. Why out of the 2 DE was used in NCL and DF mostly in Berlin I don't know.

Lovely memories, 1st airframe I got 1000 hours in.
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Old 11th Sep 2017, 08:45
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July stats finally out:

Brussels: 2175 +25%
Paris CDG 13295 +12pax
Berlin 3836
Dusseldorf: 4992 +26%
Cork 1140 -40%
Dublin 23649 +21%
Rome 2553 +1%
Amsterdam 33418 +4%
Madrid 3194
Stavanger 1317 +47%
Prague 2481 +1%
Gdansk 3083
Krakow 2574 +1%
Warsaw 2672
Wroclaw 3064
Dubai 22150 +3%


612869 pax in July, up 8%.

Rolling 12 months: 5,137,035. +10.6%
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Old 11th Sep 2017, 09:24
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Jet2 will be using the A330 on some of the EWR flights this year
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Old 11th Sep 2017, 17:37
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Originally Posted by DanAir89
On SKG given the capacity on FAO now probably a decent move. PMI seems to be down to 3 TUI flights so perhaps Ryanair have had an impact on them.
TCX are also down to around 3 PMI flights next summer
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Old 11th Sep 2017, 18:19
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Originally Posted by Border Reiver
Of Dan Airs 737-200s DE was one of 2 dash 17A powered aircraft which were the most effective to use from a shortish runway in the north of England. Why out of the 2 DE was used in NCL and DF mostly in Berlin I don't know.

Lovely memories, 1st airframe I got 1000 hours in.
Brilliant - one of those things I've wondered since living on the flight path and/or standing on the airport roof all those years ago and who better to answer it than a Dan Air pilot! Thanks

Now for the other questions I have.....

NB inoban was tongue in cheek - genuine disappointment that it wasn't dan air related!
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Old 11th Sep 2017, 23:33
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Why didn't Thomson go for Mykonos instead? Unserved and more high end. Right up their street

I hope to GOD that Naples is not announced for summer 2018 with easyJet, Ryanair, Jet2 or whoever it may be. Thomson has literally just doubled capacity on NCL-NAP... I for one, don't want that compromised
Sounds like time for the airport to start using its pricing deals with airlines to incentivise behaviour and route selections in the way some others do. Not difficult but it tends to avoid certain routes becoming bunfights and sustainable development occurring.

And on the Dan 737s - I'm sure it was to do with performance. I thought BMDF used to have better weights or engines than BLDE (and BJXJ before it went to Britannia) so could do Berlin/Tenerife non-stop which the others couldn't. I can't immediately find anything on-line prove that but DF definitely spent most of its time in Berlin and was rarely seen in the UK and DE (usually accompanied by 727 G-BAJW) spent most of the time in Newcastle. DF also had the unusual distinction of operating for almost a year with a -15 engine on one side and a -17 on the other though. Never seen that before or since.
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Old 12th Sep 2017, 04:29
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Wardair services became schedules in 1987. #nostalgia
Dan Air had their own ops handling as well on 131.875. Changed days.
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Old 12th Sep 2017, 06:34
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I would not be surprised if DF was slightly lighter than DE. Memory says they both had the same engine type.
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Old 13th Sep 2017, 20:46
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http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/could-heathrow-expansion-hurt-north-13611492.amp
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Old 13th Sep 2017, 21:27
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AUG stats are now available on the airport website

Pax 624,233 (581,513 Aug 2016)
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Old 14th Sep 2017, 00:44
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Very close (+/- 10,000 pax) to record monthy pax numbers that we hit in 2007. If we get any expansion announced for next year, we could be on to 2018 being a record year.

6 million isn't looking as unattainable as it might have over the last few years. I reckon its within 12/18 months of us proving we see some expansion
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Old 14th Sep 2017, 08:35
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It only needs an average of 500,000 a month
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Old 14th Sep 2017, 17:47
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We are very seasonal though, yes we can get 500,000+ May-September, and 600,000 in July and August, but outside of that we barely scrape 250-300,000.

If growth remains the same, we could then look at hitting 500,000 reliably through April and October and hitting above 300,000 in the weakest months, January, February and November. With this, 650-700,000 could be attainable in July and August.

5 months - 500,000+
5 months - 300,000+
2 months - 600,000+

Would give us an absolute minimum of 5.5 million.

I have been on night shift and had too much time on my hands... So I sat and did this last night. Obviously it's very rough, but if growth remains at 12% we'll hit 6 million in 2018

01/17 - 280,200 (+16.8%) 01/18 - ? 314,328
02/17 - 287,609 (+12.3%) 02/18 - ? 322,639
03/17 - 334,553 (+11.2%) 03/18 - ? 375,301
04/17 - 407,599 (+18.0%) 04/18 - ? 457,245
05/17 - 510,342 (+13.1%) 05/18 - ? 572,501
06/17 - 587,953 (+10.8%) 06/18 - ? 659,566
07/17 - 618,365 (+15.1%) 07/18 - ? 693,681
08/17 - 624,233 (+7.30%) 08/18 - ? 700,264
09/16 - 534,516 (+7.00%) 09/17 - ? 599,620 -> 09/18 - 672,654
10/16 - 444,660 (+6.30%) 10/17 - ? 498,819 -> 10/18 - 559,575
11/16 - 296,167 (+9.80%) 11/17 - ? 332,240 -> 11/18 - 372,703
12/16 - 305,842 (+18.4%) 12/17 - ? 343,094 -> 12/18 - 384,883
(Avg % increase 12.18%)

Total (12 month rolling) - 5,232,039 --- 2017 estimate - 5,424,627
2018 estimate: 6,085,340 (based on 12.18% growth, 2016-2017, 2017-2018)

For this to happen though, we'd need equivalent growth from last year. So realistically we're talking about needing 3/4 new year round FR/EZY routes (x2 or more weekly) as well as 2 or more high frequency summer routes (x4 weekly - Daily)

Alternatively, but less likely, a 4th based EZY frame, or an 8th 737 from Jet2 would likely achieve the same

All we can do is wait... But it's fun to speculate
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Old 14th Sep 2017, 20:11
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Thanks for the figures
TCX will be 3x 321 next summer rather than 2x321 and 1x320

All seats helps
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Old 15th Sep 2017, 05:59
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Originally Posted by HH6702
Thanks for the figures
TCX will be 3x 321 next summer rather than 2x321 and 1x320

All seats helps
Is this confirmed now ? Seat map still showing as A320 on various flights ? Seat maps not updated ?
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