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A little change up the field today with Delta taxiway being out of operation from D4 to D1 meaning aircraft which dont make Charlie have to back track and the biggins like this mornings 787 and 777 have to wait to be marshalled around C to D.
This all due to a sink on the taxiway from an old mineshaft but should be fixed by the weekend!
This all due to a sink on the taxiway from an old mineshaft but should be fixed by the weekend!
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I'd argue that that's not correct, I'd say even the least knowledgeable of travellers know that a £30 flight is much better than what they're paying.
I'd like you to point out your example too, using any date in the next week (generous considering it's not even full peak season).
I'd like you to point out your example too, using any date in the next week (generous considering it's not even full peak season).
Seriously, if you're footloose and able to take time off at short notice, then by all means bank on booking a last minute bargain. If it's your main family holiday, I don't think so.
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TUI and TCX etc may adopt these tactics, but one thing that is certain is that scheduled operators do not. Their fare structure has loss leader fares first, gently making its way up to some hefty pricing.
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Many flights operating out of NCL especially TOM/TCX have quite a high load factor of Scottish passengers.
Strange considering how the Scottish come down to us for flights and some of us go up to GLA / EDI for the cheaper flights.
Powers of the school holidays certainly has a play on this.
Strange considering how the Scottish come down to us for flights and some of us go up to GLA / EDI for the cheaper flights.
Powers of the school holidays certainly has a play on this.
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Many flights operating out of NCL especially TOM/TCX have quite a high load factor of Scottish passengers.
Strange considering how the Scottish come down to us for flights and some of us go up to GLA / EDI for the cheaper flights.
Powers of the school holidays certainly has a play on this.
Strange considering how the Scottish come down to us for flights and some of us go up to GLA / EDI for the cheaper flights.
Powers of the school holidays certainly has a play on this.
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It is, not seen it physically myself but seen photos. Not looking good. Similar thing happened in the long term car park.
Just meant when waiting for EK to come in, it's an extra 15 mins for it to turn round and back track down.
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Just meant when waiting for EK to come in, it's an extra 15 mins for it to turn round and back track down.
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Re the sinkhole: I'm really surprised that this hasn't happened more often. That area is riddled with mine workings. Havannah Colliery was just a few yards from the current airfield boundary.
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I did bag TFS-NCL with TOM for £60 in May and the flight was full... And the NCL-TFS I took with Ryanair was at least 80% and I paid something like £30
On another note, flew NCL-SXF today, A320, G-EZOK. 135 pax... When I asked "how many passengers on board today" the FA's initial response was "not many today" and he said that the Berlin flights had been selling/filling well, especially at the weekend. Rather disappointing to see that all 6 extra legroom seats in row 1, and 5 of the overwing extra legroom seats were empty... And mine was "free" as I'm an easyjet plus card holder
Nevertheless, for all it was an A320 today for operational reasons, 135 isn't all that bad, especially on the A319 which is scheduled
On another note, flew NCL-SXF today, A320, G-EZOK. 135 pax... When I asked "how many passengers on board today" the FA's initial response was "not many today" and he said that the Berlin flights had been selling/filling well, especially at the weekend. Rather disappointing to see that all 6 extra legroom seats in row 1, and 5 of the overwing extra legroom seats were empty... And mine was "free" as I'm an easyjet plus card holder
Nevertheless, for all it was an A320 today for operational reasons, 135 isn't all that bad, especially on the A319 which is scheduled
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I am aware of the difference between full and yield, but the TOM flight back was certainly full, there were 4/5 spare seats on the aircraft.
I would know what a 60/70% LF looks like, having flown an EZY A319 with around 100 pax (64%) and an ERJ 135 with about 15 (40%), the aircraft feels much more empty than it is. In the case of the 135 it barely felt like there were any other passengers at all. I'd safely say there were 150+ on the aircraft.
I expect the yields were trashed on the Ryanair flight, but I imagine TOM probably did quite alright. I booked the flights 4 days in advance.
I would know what a 60/70% LF looks like, having flown an EZY A319 with around 100 pax (64%) and an ERJ 135 with about 15 (40%), the aircraft feels much more empty than it is. In the case of the 135 it barely felt like there were any other passengers at all. I'd safely say there were 150+ on the aircraft.
I expect the yields were trashed on the Ryanair flight, but I imagine TOM probably did quite alright. I booked the flights 4 days in advance.
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I am aware of the difference between full and yield, but the TOM flight back was certainly full, there were 4/5 spare seats on the aircraft.
I would know what a 60/70% LF looks like, having flown an EZY A319 with around 100 pax (64%) and an ERJ 135 with about 15 (40%), the aircraft feels much more empty than it is. In the case of the 135 it barely felt like there were any other passengers at all. I'd safely say there were 150+ on the aircraft.
I expect the yields were trashed on the Ryanair flight, but I imagine TOM probably did quite alright. I booked the flights 4 days in advance.
I would know what a 60/70% LF looks like, having flown an EZY A319 with around 100 pax (64%) and an ERJ 135 with about 15 (40%), the aircraft feels much more empty than it is. In the case of the 135 it barely felt like there were any other passengers at all. I'd safely say there were 150+ on the aircraft.
I expect the yields were trashed on the Ryanair flight, but I imagine TOM probably did quite alright. I booked the flights 4 days in advance.
.TOM are a tour operator, so the flight yields (as you say) are pretty immaterial since the price of the packages have already been sold. Very, very few seats on TOM flights are seat-only. Ancillary revenues on-board the aircraft make up some of the yield, but as i say the vast, vast majority of the yield comes from the holiday package where the purchaser never sees the direct flight cost.
Contrast this to FR who are a scheduled, flight-only operator. Actual ticket cost is the contributory factor of yield in this case with considerable ancillary revenue streams also. There's a vast difference to the TOM case.
I love this old analogy of counting passengers, it actually counts for nothing. What if a FR flight was 189/189 loaded, but each passenger on there only paid £20 ? Vast difference. Only the airlines know how much a flight is making, it's sensitive commercial information. The number of armchair CEO's on this website who claim to know all, particularly what flights are doing 'well' or 'not so well' absolutely baffles me
.And yes if the price you paid was low 4 days in advance (relatively short notice on airline terms), then chances are that flight was 'not so well' as the flight was relatively low down on the pricing structure. FR charge their maximum fares at least 2 days from the actual flight, peaking on the day of the flight to make cash from those who are lastminute.com.
Cheers for the information.
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AirGuru, don't worry. I do, in fact know what I'm talking about. Hence I said that I expected the outbound Ryanair flight to have trashed yields.
I also understand that very few Thomson passengers are flight only. But on a full flight... Full with package customers. How/why did I get a £60 flight? I'm sure that flight still turned a healthy profit...
I'll not even get started on my £32... Full... Flight from Bristol to Tenerife in March, I spent more money on gin and tonic on board than the price of the flight
I also understand that very few Thomson passengers are flight only. But on a full flight... Full with package customers. How/why did I get a £60 flight? I'm sure that flight still turned a healthy profit...
I'll not even get started on my £32... Full... Flight from Bristol to Tenerife in March, I spent more money on gin and tonic on board than the price of the flight
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