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Old 26th Aug 2015, 09:22
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Talks of 4 weekly 757 or a 3 weekly with the 767
This would give NCL the smallest volume of weekly seats in the whole US-Europe operation? Is there any other UA destination that doesn't hit daily in the summer peak to Europe? (Bet there is, just curious!)
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Old 26th Aug 2015, 10:19
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You have to bare in mind that these rumours usually start in a field just up from Callerton metro station, and tend to be more wishful thinking than anything else.

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Old 26th Aug 2015, 15:29
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767 would make sense from a freight perspective (which businesses in the N. East have wanted)
Have they? I can see freight helping UA, but can't see it having any impact on North East industry. A daily service vs 4-weekly would be more beneficially (although I think Centrefix has got it right).
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Old 28th Aug 2015, 03:10
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Heard from a lad I know in that works at EWR that the service is to return pretty much the same, bar the the flight times. Leaving the U.S. A little later thus ariving in the UK around mid morning.
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Old 28th Aug 2015, 04:51
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United.

Great news just hope they put the route on sale very soon.
Better connections at EWR with a later service?

Loads for August looking very good around 75%
Overall the route for the season is just over 60%
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Old 28th Aug 2015, 09:24
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Heard from a lad I know in that works at EWR that the service is to return pretty much the same
Presumably this is not the same "friend of a friend" who knows the father of a cab driver who does the daily rounds up & down the New Jersey Turnpike?
Can't say that one should attribute too much from such comments, to an extent any "guess" re this route is 50% chance of being correct / wrong so even upon review there is a chance that a response will come back "I told you so...."

What I do hope is that the comment was made on an intelligent basis & not as with earlier 767 supposition, possibly from a "Reggie" dreaming up how many 767 frames are likely to fill up his note book.
By means of an explanation, then when you have a problem with capacity / LF's in general & a 4 day reduced operating basis, then a likely solution to improving revenues & thus success, is not by throwing additional capacity on those days that it does operate, whilst undermining service levels even further on a shorter 3 day reduced operating schedule.

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Old 28th Aug 2015, 10:12
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Old 28th Aug 2015, 11:13
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Norway

Looking back to Newcastle's Winter Schedule '95/'96, (20 years ago!) I see Braathens operated 2 daily services to Norway using Boeing 737 a/c:
i) BU574 Departed NCL for Bergen via Stavanger at 10.25am (Sundays BU578 dep 1945)
ii) BU568 Departed NCL for Oslo at 1805 (Sundays BU564 dep 1215)

If I remember correctly, these flights were very competitively priced, and often full - They were very popular with Norwegians visiting our region's tourist areas and shopping (Tax refunded at airport desk)
Package tours were popular for UK visitors to Norway, as well as Business and DIY travellers.

Although Braathens were taken over by SAS, these routes / fares bare a resemblance to Norwegian Air. - Wonder if NCL are trying to attract Norwegian or does this fall into LCC and threfore not profitable to the airport, as well as possibly upsetting Wilderoe (SAS) with their business class model fares?

I also note Caledonian (CKT) operated a weekly flight to Goa, India, as well as Orlando, as Airtours then (AIH) throughout the winter schedule (now only Thomson)

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Old 28th Aug 2015, 12:14
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I also note Caledonian (CKT) operated a weekly flight to Goa, India, as well as Orlando, as Airtours then (AIH) throughout the winter schedule (now only Thomson)
Ahh... those were the days.........you even had pax figures improving steadily YoY
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Old 28th Aug 2015, 12:25
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Originally Posted by HH6702
Looks like delta are giving edi another try next summer

So that's now 3 airlines fighting for New York and connection business from edi.

United
American
Delta


I would hope that United gives NCL another try if not I would expect another one of the big American Airlines to try us

Better to have the route then to let another in
Why? If United are unsuccessful it's not really going to change for any other American carrier.
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Old 28th Aug 2015, 12:29
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Originally Posted by HH6702
I've heard that the service IS coming back in summer 2016 and will be on sale mid September

Reason for the hold back is talks ongoing on the frequency of flights.
Talks of 4 weekly 757 or a 3 weekly with the 767

Heard the 767 rumour for a few weeks now
It's still a guessing game but looks like United will try again
United don't do 767's. Dublin has two daily 757's and so does Edinburgh.

757 to ORD and IAD from DUB! Plus the introduction of ps service from EWR so more 757's off the transatlantic routes.

This route might be cancelled.
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Old 28th Aug 2015, 14:59
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@VentureGo: I don't see how LCC pax don't make money for the airport. A good % of NCL a departures are by LCCs so why do they bother if they don't make them money?
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Old 28th Aug 2015, 15:14
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Braathens, Caledonian, Airtours - all no longer operating.
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Old 28th Aug 2015, 15:55
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I also note Caledonian (CKT) operated a weekly flight to Goa, India, as well as Orlando, as Airtours then (AIH) throughout the winter schedule (now only Thomson)
Goa I remember it well an A320 which originated out of GLA then over night via various places to Goa!

Braathens were great used them a few times......
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Old 28th Aug 2015, 16:46
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A good % of NCL a departures are by LCCs so why do they bother if they don't make them money?
Newcastle Airport try to keep a balance of 1/3 each Business, Leisure, (Thomson, T. Cook etc..) & LCC. Some LCC bring more revenue than others in respect of paying charges, where others pay very little expecting the airport to value retail & catering trade from their passengers (I attended a talk given by the airport financial director to a business forum about 2 years ago, where this info was given) Charges/Payments for landing & use of facilities and airport handling services will vary per operator, as part of their negotiations whether to serve Newcastle or not. Note: Ryanair's lack of volume presence. Guess it's striking the right balance.

Braathens, Caledonian, Airtours - all no longer operating.
Well they do! Braathens merged with SAS in 2001, and as a result of the merger BU gave up their routes to Oslo, Stavanger & Bergen due to competition rules as they would in effect have a monopoly on the Norwegian network
Caledonian (CKT) and Airtours (AIH) are now Thomas Cook

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Old 28th Aug 2015, 17:49
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I dont recall winter-long Orlando flights
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Old 28th Aug 2015, 18:06
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United don't do 767's. Dublin has two daily 757's and so does Edinburgh.
They most certainly do fly B767-300ERs across the Atlantic every day as well as the larger 400ER.
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Old 28th Aug 2015, 18:16
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When united launched the SNN-ORD route a few years ago it wasn't daily at all during the first year. It is now though.
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Old 28th Aug 2015, 19:53
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Spanair 767's performed a winter Orlando season about the early 90's I remember.
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Old 28th Aug 2015, 22:14
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Orlando was served during the winter by BY 767-200s IIRC. Goa was a 320 shared with GLA and stopped off in Ankara, Amman and Bahrain I think. ATA done a summer JFK on the 757 at the sam time
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