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I'm sitting here with a United Purser of so much seniority, he started with Pan Am and has been with United since Pan Am went to the pearly gates of FL410.
His comment is, the lowest value route will always cancel the first, then the nearest distance to base, then the easiest to reassign passengers.
Take from that what you will.
EK77WNCL, in response to your comment about an ETOPS 737, his sardonic comment was "Sure honey, you want us to whip out a 737 and crew from our ass, have it all ship shape and ready to fly across to Europe where it and the crew have never been before and where there'll be no one to fly it back and where there's 20 seats less just by clickin' our red shoes and wishing it to happen...uh huh.....?"
His comment is, the lowest value route will always cancel the first, then the nearest distance to base, then the easiest to reassign passengers.
Take from that what you will.
EK77WNCL, in response to your comment about an ETOPS 737, his sardonic comment was "Sure honey, you want us to whip out a 737 and crew from our ass, have it all ship shape and ready to fly across to Europe where it and the crew have never been before and where there'll be no one to fly it back and where there's 20 seats less just by clickin' our red shoes and wishing it to happen...uh huh.....?"
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... Failing that I'm surprised they didn't go for the customary US legacy approach nowadays and send over 3/4 third party regional jets.
Joking aside I respect that guy's seniority and enjoy his wit and sarcasm, I know it's not viable to send over a 737 and I know NCL is going to be way down on their list. I don't agree with that however because if they think the route is going to be pretty marginal then SURELY they're going to want to at least try and make some effort to impress potentially high paying customers. 3 cancellations already for a x5 weekly summer only operation (and we aren't done yet!) how many times has EK been cancelled?
Joking aside I respect that guy's seniority and enjoy his wit and sarcasm, I know it's not viable to send over a 737 and I know NCL is going to be way down on their list. I don't agree with that however because if they think the route is going to be pretty marginal then SURELY they're going to want to at least try and make some effort to impress potentially high paying customers. 3 cancellations already for a x5 weekly summer only operation (and we aren't done yet!) how many times has EK been cancelled?
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If there was a sacrifice to be made and a UK 757 had to be cancelled - I'd have chose the NCL flight.
The other UK flights are established and will contain regular and loyal customers. The NCL service won't, as it's not guaranteed past this season, and hasn't really had long enough to create that base.
The conundrum is... do you try to impress a potential new customer or upset an existing one.
I know which I'd choose.
The other UK flights are established and will contain regular and loyal customers. The NCL service won't, as it's not guaranteed past this season, and hasn't really had long enough to create that base.
The conundrum is... do you try to impress a potential new customer or upset an existing one.
I know which I'd choose.
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UA has cancelled flights to MAN/EDI/BHX/GLA/NCL/SNN and DUB in the past few weeks.
Both UA and AA have had atrocious OTP issues this summer, so it's certainly not just a UA at NCL issue.
Both UA and AA have had atrocious OTP issues this summer, so it's certainly not just a UA at NCL issue.
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Notwithstanding the politics that preclude it (short haul crew operating long haul routes etc) I didn't think the 737 via KEF suggestion was that pie in the sky. Globespan operated many a NYC rotation from the UK with a 737.
Because the KEF routing is non ETOPS AFAIK. There's the Faroes, KEF, SFJ and a couple of others in Greenland all close enought that non ETOPS aircraft can use it.
Etops costs money. Must carry more fuel, same engineer can't check/work on the same system on both engines, I think the pilots might need an extra legal endorsement too?
The rule for non ETOPS is you cannot be more than 60 mins (roughly 400nm for most jets) from an airfield, so it can be done non ETOPS, it just makes it longer than say NCL-YQX-EWR.
Etops costs money. Must carry more fuel, same engineer can't check/work on the same system on both engines, I think the pilots might need an extra legal endorsement too?
The rule for non ETOPS is you cannot be more than 60 mins (roughly 400nm for most jets) from an airfield, so it can be done non ETOPS, it just makes it longer than say NCL-YQX-EWR.
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United restores year-round service between Belfast and Newark
United have announced Belfast are going to year-round service (BFS-EWR) from next year
No sign or mention of Newcastle (either Summer only or extended timetable from x5 weekly)
United have announced Belfast are going to year-round service (BFS-EWR) from next year
No sign or mention of Newcastle (either Summer only or extended timetable from x5 weekly)
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United restores year-round service between Belfast and Newark
United have announced Belfast are going to year-round service (BFS-EWR) from next year
No sign or mention of Newcastle (either Summer only or extended timetable from x5 weekly)
United have announced Belfast are going to year-round service (BFS-EWR) from next year
No sign or mention of Newcastle (either Summer only or extended timetable from x5 weekly)