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I laid the NY idea to rest years ago. Not going to happen. Incidentally I did a 8.5 hour flight non stop SFB-GLA in seat A. Was no different to an A seat on TCX, CO etc.And many times better than Americans E seat on the 777. Don't see what's wrong with it. BA did tatl on the 75 for years. Don't see the benefit of twin aisles. People say its easier to move round but not the case in my experiences. If one aisle is blocked by a service cart the chances are the other aisle is blocked by same service.
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New York
Oh well.
Maybe tommorrow, or the day after, or the day after that or two days after that.
Dont think it will happen in my lifetime. ( If it does then I will do something in Fenwicks window as they used to say on Tyneside)
Keep on using good old KL, BA, AF, to the US via AMS, CDG, LHR, etc, its not that bad infact the service and connectiond are very good.
There was once a weekly direct service to New York from NCL I think in the Sixties or seventies (Jetsave charter ). Unlikely to be repeated these days.
ncleflights, completely agree with your last post.
Maybe tommorrow, or the day after, or the day after that or two days after that.
Dont think it will happen in my lifetime. ( If it does then I will do something in Fenwicks window as they used to say on Tyneside)
Keep on using good old KL, BA, AF, to the US via AMS, CDG, LHR, etc, its not that bad infact the service and connectiond are very good.
There was once a weekly direct service to New York from NCL I think in the Sixties or seventies (Jetsave charter ). Unlikely to be repeated these days.
ncleflights, completely agree with your last post.
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ncleflights you say the airport is too wrapped up in trying to get new york service and has missed other ones like Frankfurt??
The airport has stated it hopes to get a service to FRA with LH.
Its down to getting the right slots for the service and i guess we will get it in the next 12 months.....??
Also the current management have got the following over last few months
Jet2 loads of new routes and 6 based aircraft in total
EK now a 777 daily
I also see that Thomson will be offering Naples in march/april 2013 which im sure hasnt been done before....
so i wouldnt say that the airport has missed other opportunties.......
im sure the airport will be talking to a range of new airlines and current airlines about a list of new routes and im sure we will be surprised at some of the new routes we get in the next few months....
Did anyone see Flybe coming with Bergen??
The airport has stated it hopes to get a service to FRA with LH.
Its down to getting the right slots for the service and i guess we will get it in the next 12 months.....??
Also the current management have got the following over last few months
Jet2 loads of new routes and 6 based aircraft in total
EK now a 777 daily
I also see that Thomson will be offering Naples in march/april 2013 which im sure hasnt been done before....
so i wouldnt say that the airport has missed other opportunties.......
im sure the airport will be talking to a range of new airlines and current airlines about a list of new routes and im sure we will be surprised at some of the new routes we get in the next few months....
Did anyone see Flybe coming with Bergen??
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HH6702 - Whilst you have me on this subject of Frankfurt when slots became available recently we did miss out on Frankfurt, when the Aberdeen - Frankfurt route was announced. I fail to see how a business case could not have been made that NCL would not have achieved better loads/yields than Aberdeen for the airline.
Jet2 yes great news and well done to the airport management for getting the extra based units
On the subject of EK upgrade yes its truly great news but lets remember it was under the regime of Mr Parkin that the Airport secured EK in the first place. I doubt the current airport management would have been able to achieve this route because of this ridiculous New York pre-occupation.
Jet2 yes great news and well done to the airport management for getting the extra based units
On the subject of EK upgrade yes its truly great news but lets remember it was under the regime of Mr Parkin that the Airport secured EK in the first place. I doubt the current airport management would have been able to achieve this route because of this ridiculous New York pre-occupation.
I fail to see how a business case could not have been made that NCL would not have achieved better loads/yields than Aberdeen for the airline.
Somewhere like BRS is a fairer comparison and they don't have a FRA route either.
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Somewhere like BRS is a fairer comparison and they don't have a FRA route either.
which if nothing else reflects current trends. In reality nothing is achieved in making such comparisons
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ncleflights - The NYC route is not the be all and end all to the airport management team, actually this is a route that the NE needs as the US is the biggest trading partner of NE England. It is not an unrealistic aspiration I have heard that it creates the biggest interest of any unserved route amongst the business and leisure traveling public in the North East! With lots of people having to use other airports, e.g. Manchester and Heathrow, when they would prefer a transatlantic flight direct from their local airport. **If Emirates works from NCL then there is no reason why NYC can’t as well!
As for FRA, this again is a route which should work and who is to say the airport are not working on this one too! One problem would be the perfect airline for the route is also the one who would loose the most from it, LH and DUS! I am sure the airport whilst wanting new routes is balancing the needs of other airport partner airlines Emirates/KLM/AF/BA. Running a successful regional airport is a balancing act!
*As for Mr Parkin I know from my time at the airport and a few inside sources, that he may have made the announcement, shortly before he was suspended! but it’s the people who are still at the airport who initiated the analysis, looking at the feasibility and who then delivered Emirates at the end of the day.
As for FRA, this again is a route which should work and who is to say the airport are not working on this one too! One problem would be the perfect airline for the route is also the one who would loose the most from it, LH and DUS! I am sure the airport whilst wanting new routes is balancing the needs of other airport partner airlines Emirates/KLM/AF/BA. Running a successful regional airport is a balancing act!
*As for Mr Parkin I know from my time at the airport and a few inside sources, that he may have made the announcement, shortly before he was suspended! but it’s the people who are still at the airport who initiated the analysis, looking at the feasibility and who then delivered Emirates at the end of the day.
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The North East economy is certainly not as you put it "a basket case".
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Saying there is no reason a route should work is often because you haven't looked far enough. GLA has both EWR and PHL as well as DXB but still no FRA and CDG is EZY and not AF, whereas EDI has multiple dailies to both with LH and AF.
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Piltdown man,
That'll be the same people who are using the Emirates service and have made it a success then? Plenty of burgers in America so we should be alright with New York. There's a great danger in stereotyping regions particularly using words such as those you have used as I doubt whether there's any region outside the South East that is a net contributor to the Exchequer given the budget defecit. However, can someone then rationalise why £2000 per head is spent on transport in London and c£5 per head here in the North East? This is the only UK region which exports more than it imports in respect of physical goods. The country needs an export led recovery and that will benefit the North East. If we don't get an export led recovery then we are likely to all be in a big mess and living in caves again. Are you leading the way?
That'll be the same people who are using the Emirates service and have made it a success then? Plenty of burgers in America so we should be alright with New York. There's a great danger in stereotyping regions particularly using words such as those you have used as I doubt whether there's any region outside the South East that is a net contributor to the Exchequer given the budget defecit. However, can someone then rationalise why £2000 per head is spent on transport in London and c£5 per head here in the North East? This is the only UK region which exports more than it imports in respect of physical goods. The country needs an export led recovery and that will benefit the North East. If we don't get an export led recovery then we are likely to all be in a big mess and living in caves again. Are you leading the way?
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10 DME ARC - You say that the NYC route is not the be all and end all to airport management, however the evidence clearly states that it is. As I have already posted at every opportunity the airport management at press releases and interviews devote a huge amount of time to stating how important this route is. Back in October Mr Mason stated in public that securing the NYC route was the number one priority! securing no other new route is ever given a mention. If that is not evidence enough I dont know what is.
I do fully agree with you though that a route to NY is important to the region and the with the right airline would certainly work all the data gathered and stats we have to hand prove this . However until the economy picks up I think a route announcement is unlikely. Personally I think that AA was the wrong airline for the route when it was announced back in 2005 perhaps if we had waited the extra year when CO had available aircraft to start up on the route we would not be having this debate now as we would be having a successful scheduled service to NY, but hindsight is great I suppose.
With regard to Mr Parkin and the emirates route I also now from my time at the airport who was key in securing this route so we will have to agree to disagree on this one I am afraid.
GAXLN - Piltdown is obviously a complete idiot and very ignorant and has not got a clue what he is talking about the best thing is to ignore him his post really does not warrant a reply
I do fully agree with you though that a route to NY is important to the region and the with the right airline would certainly work all the data gathered and stats we have to hand prove this . However until the economy picks up I think a route announcement is unlikely. Personally I think that AA was the wrong airline for the route when it was announced back in 2005 perhaps if we had waited the extra year when CO had available aircraft to start up on the route we would not be having this debate now as we would be having a successful scheduled service to NY, but hindsight is great I suppose.
With regard to Mr Parkin and the emirates route I also now from my time at the airport who was key in securing this route so we will have to agree to disagree on this one I am afraid.
GAXLN - Piltdown is obviously a complete idiot and very ignorant and has not got a clue what he is talking about the best thing is to ignore him his post really does not warrant a reply
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New York Wont Happen Here, Its About Time You Get Realistic, Maybe Frankfurt From Lufthansa Or Flybe, Or Even Getting The Stansted Flight Back With Jet2, Newcastle Is Not Popular For New York Over 5-7 Days A Week
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NY is important to the region and the with the right airline would certainly work all the data gathered and stats we have to hand prove this
I've obviously missed the stats and data gathered that say otherwise.
Can you point me in the direction of these stats, or give me the gist of it and the source and I might change my thinking. Thanks!
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I understand that Piltdown Man was famous for being a paleontological hoax a hundred years ago. His current incarnation has clearly been spending time in the wrong parts of town on his occasional layovers in Newcastle. Should get out and about more.
As for New York, I doubt it's needed. At a business conference in Newcastle last week run by the Local Entreprise Partnership, the focus was very much on developing international business and trade links to Europe. That the key speaker was the German Ambassador was no coincidence.
As for New York, I doubt it's needed. At a business conference in Newcastle last week run by the Local Entreprise Partnership, the focus was very much on developing international business and trade links to Europe. That the key speaker was the German Ambassador was no coincidence.
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Piltdown man does have a point though. Without causing to much upset I hope:
1. Locals from the North East are some of the most insular people I have ever met. Some have never even visited Hadrians wall. How can you expect locals to advertise the region when they don't even know it themselves.
2. Ask any business person who has had to deal with local businesses and local government and they will say that most locals they have worked with are very thin skinned and cannot accept constructive criticism.
3. They are nepotistic to the extent a local will be employed over an outsider even if their skill set is not as good.
But what do you expect from a region that has over 50 percent of people working for the state.
1. Locals from the North East are some of the most insular people I have ever met. Some have never even visited Hadrians wall. How can you expect locals to advertise the region when they don't even know it themselves.
2. Ask any business person who has had to deal with local businesses and local government and they will say that most locals they have worked with are very thin skinned and cannot accept constructive criticism.
3. They are nepotistic to the extent a local will be employed over an outsider even if their skill set is not as good.
But what do you expect from a region that has over 50 percent of people working for the state.
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Piltdown and Mugabe should maybe start a thread on Jetblast entitled 'Lets slag off the North-East' and leave this thread to those who want to talk about Newcastle Airport.
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Mugabe, there is an ideal location for you.
Zimbabwe.
Your comments demonstrate more of your character than the stereotypes of those you care to try and portray, belittle and insult apart from showing your spectacularly ignorant and anecdotally foolish ideas you would lead anyone reading them to question your awareness of the cultural and diverse make up of this great island and this fine region.
You're not worth the airtime but I've decided to make an exception, I suspect on behalf of the majority.
I'm not a fan of personal insults or accusatory language but your remarks are poor at best. The thread is for discussing business at EGNT not slagging off a region.
Zimbabwe.
Your comments demonstrate more of your character than the stereotypes of those you care to try and portray, belittle and insult apart from showing your spectacularly ignorant and anecdotally foolish ideas you would lead anyone reading them to question your awareness of the cultural and diverse make up of this great island and this fine region.
You're not worth the airtime but I've decided to make an exception, I suspect on behalf of the majority.
I'm not a fan of personal insults or accusatory language but your remarks are poor at best. The thread is for discussing business at EGNT not slagging off a region.