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The YYZ flight is still showing in the latest Airport Charter timetable...edition 4 of 6th January. If TCX are flying it now, thats good news at least, unlike reading every other day about a new route for EDI. However, I stay optimistic and hope that Ryanair announces something soon to replace Oslo.
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skyman771 - sorry I was not intending to be pedantic as you put it but where are you getting your info from, Ive been an airline analyst for sometime now and the NSO only produce statistics on income and disposable income on those in employment and I am not aware that any organisation holds information on income/disposable income for any other group. Therefore this is the only accurate information that would be used when an airline looks at new routes, Waitrose a new store, Mcdonalds a new restaurant etc, etc.
Also with regard to your comment on backing the wrong horse I am not sure if its a case of backing the wrong horse or simply a case of it becoming a one horse race! Ryanair did a huge amount of work three years ago with regard to a NCL base however the main aspect of this research was that the 738 they operate is to large for the potential new routes they would want from a NCL base. NCL will therefore only pick up the odd routes from Ryanair.
As for easyjet, in my opinion and I hope I am wrong, but I think they will be off when the 10 year agreement comes to an end which I think is 2013. They seem to have lost interest in any sort of development at NCL. It was my understanding that NCL was to get the Berlin service back this year with a Berlin based unit but plans were scrapped just before the announcement was due.
The story seems very similar to the Wizz air scenario, when DTV - Warsaw route was pulled I understand the service was to swap to NCL but again plans were scrapped at the last moment, could this be an indication that NCL management are not responding to the screw tightening on costs required by the budget airlines?
This therefore leaves us with Jet2 for an increase in scheduled ops from NCL again many of the new routes announced of late particularly the city ones are using smaller 737 aircraft, as Jet 2 replace their fleet with the larger 800 series variants then I fear these routes will also be short lived. My advice if you fancy as city break to Rome or Venice book sooner rather than later as the routes may not be around in 2013 or 2014.
I did have high hopes when FLYBE opened their base as I think they have the ideal sized aircraft for new profitable routes from NCL. It is my understanding that FLYBE still have expansion plans for new routes from NCL and plans are on hold rather then filed in the bin. We will have to wait and see though
Also with regard to your comment on backing the wrong horse I am not sure if its a case of backing the wrong horse or simply a case of it becoming a one horse race! Ryanair did a huge amount of work three years ago with regard to a NCL base however the main aspect of this research was that the 738 they operate is to large for the potential new routes they would want from a NCL base. NCL will therefore only pick up the odd routes from Ryanair.
As for easyjet, in my opinion and I hope I am wrong, but I think they will be off when the 10 year agreement comes to an end which I think is 2013. They seem to have lost interest in any sort of development at NCL. It was my understanding that NCL was to get the Berlin service back this year with a Berlin based unit but plans were scrapped just before the announcement was due.
The story seems very similar to the Wizz air scenario, when DTV - Warsaw route was pulled I understand the service was to swap to NCL but again plans were scrapped at the last moment, could this be an indication that NCL management are not responding to the screw tightening on costs required by the budget airlines?
This therefore leaves us with Jet2 for an increase in scheduled ops from NCL again many of the new routes announced of late particularly the city ones are using smaller 737 aircraft, as Jet 2 replace their fleet with the larger 800 series variants then I fear these routes will also be short lived. My advice if you fancy as city break to Rome or Venice book sooner rather than later as the routes may not be around in 2013 or 2014.
I did have high hopes when FLYBE opened their base as I think they have the ideal sized aircraft for new profitable routes from NCL. It is my understanding that FLYBE still have expansion plans for new routes from NCL and plans are on hold rather then filed in the bin. We will have to wait and see though
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I wonder how much effort there is put into promoting the North East around the globe as a destination to visit. We always look at routes like New York based upon how many local people want to go there, but there is little talk of making the operation a 2 way process.
It seems that many countries have seen their industry change or diminish over the years, and many have then benefited from an influx of tourism. The eastern bloc springs to mind.
If the weathers grim, then call it Winter Sun
It seems that many countries have seen their industry change or diminish over the years, and many have then benefited from an influx of tourism. The eastern bloc springs to mind.
If the weathers grim, then call it Winter Sun
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I'm sorry to say.. to most American tourists there is only London and thats where they fly to... even when they are going to York/Stratford etc..
I'm sorry to say.. to most American tourists there is only London and thats where they fly to... even when they are going to York/Stratford etc..
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Inbound Tourism?! - Interesting angle! Well, before the points made by Tonker are dismissed let's consider our region's assets for tourism. Americans love History & Heritage. I've recently returned from New York, having done the Tours! The Guides on 2 trips were fascinated to know Washington Old Hall (Tyne & Wear) is the ancestoral home of the George Washinton family and could not understand why we don't promote the area of outstanding coastline, Lake District, Durham / Cathedral, Bamburgh/Alnwick(Harry Potter? Castles, Beamish Open Air museum (maybe re-located from original locations eg Annfield plain Co-op - but still original!) Americans would love Fly-Drive breaks in the region (Driving on the "wrong" side of the road and trying out a "Stick-Shift" gearbox!) They love regional accents! Why not fly to Newcastle and return from Edinburgh? - I often fly BA via Heathrow to Orlando or Tampa then return from Miami, having visited the Florida Keys after some days in Orlando and Gold Coast. Problem is no agency or tourist body is communicating this with brochures, websites suggested iteneries etc.... Would be interesting to see all interested parties e.g. Airport, Car Hire Companies, Regional Development, Hotels etc.. work together on this. Not all Americans want to return to London, having visited the capital on previous visits. But, they also, do not want to come to a region without clear itineraries, detailing POI and driving times/distances etc... to maximise their visit.
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Belsay Castle and gardens are just 10 minutes away, and some of the nicest grounds i have ever seen. Roll on the spring.
The whole region needs to collectively co-ordinate an "inbound tourism" plan. Kielder water is totally wasted in my view. If that was the US and A, and it was done properly it could be our local Lake Tahoe. People will bulk at this sort of fairy tale thinking, which is actually the sort of approach that peoples like Americans apply to every facet of their lives. Think big, think collectively and think about a good plan. Easy money and lots of employment.
The whole region needs to collectively co-ordinate an "inbound tourism" plan. Kielder water is totally wasted in my view. If that was the US and A, and it was done properly it could be our local Lake Tahoe. People will bulk at this sort of fairy tale thinking, which is actually the sort of approach that peoples like Americans apply to every facet of their lives. Think big, think collectively and think about a good plan. Easy money and lots of employment.
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I suppose you all noticed that Emirates are putting a second daily flight plus larger a/c into Glasgow from 1st June....will this affect NCL chances for the 777 or additional frequency?
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I suppose you all noticed that Emirates are putting a second daily flight plus larger a/c into Glasgow from 1st June....will this affect NCL chances for the 777 or additional frequency?
As for GLA's 777 equipment this is probably more in the context of the fleet disposal plans of the 330's.
As for NCL 2* daily is a no go, as for eventual NCL 330 replacement, all seems to have gone very quiet.
I would imagine NCL will, as likely as not, be the last destination on the A330 route network as & when they are all disposed of. As to what happens then is anyones guess, perhaps optimistic to mention A350's. I would have thought that the earlier plans of 777 equipment for NCL would have been published by now....are all spare 777's that are coming available are being used to replace 330's taken out of service elsewhere?
As to why GLA would get 777 swap instead of NCL then this probably has something to do with operating performance issues of the various type's of 772's & 773's at NCL as much as down to pax LF's.
To a lesser extent then EK marketing can control the demand for their various UK services by promotion through price differentials & other discounting & marketing activities. As such then whether there is any drop off in pax / freight due to migration away from NCL to GLA/MAN depends as much as anything as to where EK view NCL in their long UK operations strategy.
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The December pax figures for UK airports are published on Monday so we shall learn how the Dubai route has fared for that month, although we won't be privy to the cargo figures, which I understand are a very important factor in this routes viability.
I understand that the routes main strength is the connectivity to the Far East and Australasia via its Dubai base.
I understand that the routes main strength is the connectivity to the Far East and Australasia via its Dubai base.
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Now that regional development agency One NorthEast has been abolished, there is no reason why Newcastle Airport couldn't promote itself abroad as the UK's "gateway to the Lake District". Previously, ONE wouldn't have wished to tread on the toes of the NW development agency, which naturally promoted Manchester Airport in that role.
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Which would conincide with the 5th anniversary of the Route at NCL sounds like something EK would do!
Didn't EK announce the A380 would be operating the MAN flight on there route anniversary?
Didn't EK announce the A380 would be operating the MAN flight on there route anniversary?
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The December pax figures as a whole are + 6.7% but against the snow last December, more importantly the year is -0.2% with NCL -Gatwick figures not yet factored in.
Highlights are:
Paris 16,457 + 28% reflecting the bigger a/c
Amsterdam 22,571 + 17%
Cork 1607 +13%
Malta 2263 + 32%
Stavanger 1932 + 45%
Prague 2308 +6%
Alicante 8293 up from 5455 last year..reflecting the Jet 2 winter service
Dusseldorf 3756 + 7%
Brussels 3329 +1% (the smallest of recent increases)
Dubai 13,726 - 3%
Faro 2351 - 6%
Barcelona 5001 -10%
Domestic routes are mixed...Gatwick figures are not out yet.
Heathrow 40,923 + 42% (against all of the cancellations last Dec.)
Belfast City 2897 + 8%
Belfast Int 15,126 + 13%
Bristol 14,334 +
Isle of Man 185 - 66%
Aberdeen 1394 - 29%
Exeter 1657 -11%
Highlights are:
Paris 16,457 + 28% reflecting the bigger a/c
Amsterdam 22,571 + 17%
Cork 1607 +13%
Malta 2263 + 32%
Stavanger 1932 + 45%
Prague 2308 +6%
Alicante 8293 up from 5455 last year..reflecting the Jet 2 winter service
Dusseldorf 3756 + 7%
Brussels 3329 +1% (the smallest of recent increases)
Dubai 13,726 - 3%
Faro 2351 - 6%
Barcelona 5001 -10%
Domestic routes are mixed...Gatwick figures are not out yet.
Heathrow 40,923 + 42% (against all of the cancellations last Dec.)
Belfast City 2897 + 8%
Belfast Int 15,126 + 13%
Bristol 14,334 +
Isle of Man 185 - 66%
Aberdeen 1394 - 29%
Exeter 1657 -11%